Then even worse, because if the designer team did NOT look at all the discussions around the MxB issues and did not incorporate at least SOME points it would've been totally silly. But i think, they had a good look at those discussions. And that way
i understood the thread starter. So, it could be, you got her/him wrong quite a bid.Of course it had not been our discussions leading to the PxB. But they influenced the design, i'm sure. And regarding what the MxB users went through
(and that some paid 2k and some 1400 and got a case on top), asking for a discount seems absolutely legit to me.
So they're terrible if they use our ideas and they're silly if they don't. Damned if they do, damned if they don't. Right.
Of course the designers and developers look around the net and the world when making products. However, there just isn't any material in the MxB feature request forum that can be construed as ideas and design input for a PolyBrute. There are some obvious and non original suggestions for the MxB, like e.g. naming patches, but that falls out of the PB design and the devs are fully capable of thinking about trivialities like that themselves.
Having a good look at both the MxB and the the PB makes it pretty clear; I entertain absolutely no illusions of having unwittingly given design input to the PB.
When it comes to the prices paid for MxBs, of course they vary in the open market. I paid 2k for mine, and I'm totally happy with that. If someone can nab one for 1.4k a few years later, then that's great and I'm happy for them. There's nothing outrageous about it.
Now, if there's any "donaldish" mindsets at work here it's this one: To think that one deserves credit for something one didn't do, to claim a victim role where there is none and to clamor for a reward in the process - a stance seemingly borne out of bitterness and unrealistic expectations.
"So they're terrible if they use our ideas" .
I never said that, please don't put words in my mouth I never said, and it clearly also would not make any sense. Why should I post many requests/suggestions here then?
I'm happy if things get improved. Like we have 256 patches on the MxB and now 3x as much on the PB, each with 5 snapshots ( still a bid limited compared to the ONE,
but much better than before)
"This thread is the most insane case of entitlement... The claim that they took our ideas to run off and make the PolyBrute is simply not true."Neither it is "insane" nor "entitlement" * to ask for a credit for MxB owners when buying a PB ( as such rebates are totally normal with other companies for good customers, more so, if they already had larger price ups and downs and boni (like the case) and even more so if there had been major technical problems)
nor did anybody say, Arturia would steal our ideas or the PB is solely based on our input.
"To think that one deserves credit for something one didn't do, to claim a victim role where there is none and to clamor for a reward in the process - a stance seemingly borne out of bitterness and unrealistic expectations"Again you are making things totally up here. Neither are we (most of us including me) bitter, but happy customers, who bought a lot of Arturia products / still buying and nor do I or others have "unrealistic expectations", take a victim role or beg for rewards. I think the idea posted by the other user had a point, and Arturia can say yes or no. But everything you made out of it was quite made up.
It's strange seeing you attacking other users quite unfairly or with putting false statements in their mouth.
For somebody usually being so helpful and with your reputation that's quite irritating.
* and - but I guess I've said that before - the "entitlement" argument is completely non-valid for me, when we talk about SOFTWARE IMPROVEMENTS (in opposite to hardware requests)
But some companies like the constant challenge to come up with the best possible and some just have no time or resources or will to improve their software in the best possible way
