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ELP_freak

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KARN EVIL 9 live end sequence - "L1" octave higher
« on: September 16, 2006, 10:49:49 pm »
Hi!

I'm trying to set KARN EVIL 9 live  end sequence on Arturia Mg Modular. But Keith Emerson's sequence has a range of 2 octaves and a major third, whereas Arturia's maximum range seems to be 2 octaves.
I infer somehow Emerson managed to make the line 1 (L1) of the Mg sequence sound an octave higher than its actual knobs positions (I mean, he got a L123 sequence, but L1 sounded an octave higher than L2 and L3). But how he'd do that without affecting L2 and L3?

Take a look at the sequence (I transcribed from the '74 album "Welcome Back My Friends to The Show That Never Ends"):
F#8, F#8 (+), E8, Db7, D8, B7, G7, A7, D5, A5, G5, F#5, F#5, G5, E5, Db6, E6, Db6, D6, A5, F#5, F#5, E5, D5.

The steps in bold are the ones in higher position. They are 8 notes, so because of that I suppose L1 was somehow set to sound an octave higher (but still linked with L2 and L3).

Also, the second F#8 is a little bit out of tune (it is higher than the first F#8, as it's almost a G8). I don't know if the original Mg Modular allowed out of tune steps, I suppose so, but Arturia automatically tunes everything "right" (even if you choose an inaccurate position, Arturia will fix it and make it sound tuned). For instance, if you set a knob on "0.97", it will sound like "1.00". If you set 0.93, it will sound "0.95".

Any ideas on how to face those two issues (the octave higher and the default "corrected" tune)?

If someone sees the resolution of the register (pitch) problem not through octave changing, but by other means, I'd like to know. If only I could set an oscillator an octave higher to play L1 but set it to wait in silence for the execution of L2 and L3 by other(s) oscillator(s) an octave lower (that in turn would also have to wait for L1 execution)... If that is the right way then the question is: how to make different oscillators play different sequencer lines but still have those lines in L123 chain at the end?

Or maybe the way would be: how to amplify the sequencer knobs' range?

One third issue: is there any way to make pan effects when using the sequencer (for instance, L1 on the right, L2 and L3 on the left)? That I don't know if Emo had accomplished with the Mg (maybe it was done with an external amplifier that received his modular sound).
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KARN EVIL 9 live end sequence - "L1" octave higher
« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2007, 03:22:52 pm »
One thing you can do is set the CV envelopes to respond to one sequencer trigger each, although they only range 1 thru 8.  If you've got a 24-note sequence, they will occur three times throughout.
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KARN EVIL 9 live end sequence - "L1" octave higher
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2008, 05:23:54 am »
Don't know if you've seen this, but here's the transcription of that sequence you are talking about:



Now if this transcription is accurate, there is only one note that is out of the range of the sequencer, and that is the first one. Aside from that one note, everything falls within 2 octaves of F5. I simply dropped that note from the 1.3 that it needs to be down to just 0.3 and it still sounded pretty close. Obviously, if you are trying to get the stereo sweeping effect, you are going for a good deal of accuracy, and this may not be an acceptable solution for you. I'm pretty new to this, so I really don't know anything about that triggering idea, and it may be worth a shot.

Personally, from trying to play some of his organ stuff, I usually just accept that Keith Emerson is magical and can do things with keyboards that mortals cannot.

 

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