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Hardware Instruments => MatrixBrute => MatrixBrute - General discussions => Topic started by: PXPT on October 05, 2016, 12:50:55 am
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Ok - maybe I'm pushing my luck here... but when is the MatrixBrute expected to be released...?
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I've been monitoring several webshops to keep a tab on it. The latest published dates are mid December. Arturia themselves says "at the end of this year". So with a bit of luck, Santa will load up his sleigh with MatrixBrutes :D
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Just seen the "Available In December" message on the MatrixBrute Details page on the Arturia website... Hopefully I'll be receiving my MatrixBrute as a Christmas present to myself!
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When I look at UK music shops they are saying 3rd to last week in January.
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It's possible that they mention January as they have had pre-orders in already and any newer orders will not be able to be fulfilled until then...
...but that's just me being optimistic (I'll have a meltdown if I have to wait too much longer...).
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???
I predict June 2017 will be the release time for the MatrixBrute.
There is clearly a problem with this magnificent product, otherwise there would have been a nice smooth path from announcement in early 2016 to sample release in Spring 2016 to 1st batch release in summer 2016 to debugged 2nd batch release in Autumn 2016.
There are very few samples in the world
There is no downloadable manual suggesting that features have not been finalised.
There has been release of the Drumbrute instead suggesting that production man power has been diverted to another area as no MatrixBrutes are being produced.
I have left retailer a 12% deposit in confidence that a Matrix Brute production run will start in May June 2017. Oh well there is the DeepMind 12 to take delivery of before then :o
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I do agree that once the MatrixBrute is due to be released then the manual/misc stuff will appear on the Arturia support page. I don't agree that it will be until mid next year, or rather, I hope it will not be that long. If is is beginning to look like it then I will probably cancel my order and, perhaps, start looking at something else like Doepfer... or, possibly the Deepmind 12...
Having said that, I do feel that Arturia are actually gearing up for a release... I sense a sort of vibe in the air...
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Naw, that vibe is the sound of other synths in the air. I reckon that the MB has been too difficult for the team at Arturia to stick to any sort of time line.
Those releases in the news are just keeping interest in this as-yet-dead-synth alive.
A major U.K. Retailer said that any chance of delivery this side of Xmas is a fools errand.
Bet you a pint it will be mid summer 2017 and Arturia will be kicked into the long grass by the Deep Mind 12 and the Doepfer keyboard and the string of Korgs and the near release Roland's that manage to stick to a time line.
If you are thinking of cancelling many many others will too. SynthExit like Brexit
Shame !
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I've already got fed up with waiting for the Audiofuse and have now purchased and installed an alternative. Let's hope the same does not hold for the MatrixBrute... (crosses fingers).
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For what it's worth, they just added a new "Sound Design" page to the MatrixBrute product info. Perhaps it's a sign of things happening.
In any case, it looks to me like they're committed to shipping the first units in December. Whether we are the lucky ones to get early units is a different matter (I'm never lucky :(...)
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The MB product page says Available December . Looks like it's going to be even later than I thought December 2017 :'(
Can't mean this December as the 1st week is nearly over according to my Peppa Pig-advent calendar
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Anyone from Arturia care to comment about the release date...?
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Just spoke to GAK in England who hold by deposit , they are not expecting anything before March 2017.
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Arturia themselves expects to start delivery in December, as shown on the webpage, as said when asked and as said on the recent "tour" with the MatrixBrute and DrumBrute. Webshops mostly have the date down as December to late January. Who are we to believe? Does GAK alone hold the truth? A statement from the horse's mouth would be good, helping customers with planning.
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According to Noisebug, they won't ship until the end of January.
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I think the horse's mouth is still too busy chomping the software, hardware and production schedule to answer us.
This is a very very ambitious product at a price that is crazy low. There is a lot of wobbly analogue stuff under the hood.
If Arturia had gone cheapo via the Arm processor route we would have had a dogs dinner months ago.
I am jumping from one leg to the other in anticipation but fear a long long wait. My fear is loss of a lot of orders for Arturia.
I can only turn to GAK as every one else doesn't have any idea.
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Well, everybody has an idea, not just GAK, and they're all different and mutable.
Therein lies the problem; who do we trust, are all shops just making up random dates every now and then, how do we plan for expenditure and studio configuration, do we buy a different synth before we die of old age while waiting? In my own case I know that this is the synth I want and have already placed an order - there is nothing in the market that interest me more. I'm also a patient man used to a bit of waiting... mine arrives when it does. However, I'd like others to have a realistic estimate of the availability since I want the MB to be a runaway success, flying off the shelves, so that we stand a chance of seeing more crazy innovative beasts like it.
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I've spoken to the company I have the pre-order with and they said that their supplier does not expect any units until at least the third week in January 2017. So, taking this into account + all the other mutterings I have heard, it currently looks like towards the end of January/start of February to me. Apparently though, I'm near the head of the queue to get mine when it eventually arrives...
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I suppose the irritating thing is that the MB was announced so long ago. The publicity department would be given a significant pedal-perineal impact if I were the manger.
Waiting for the MB has been like waiting for the Geminids , lots of promise but with kids (me admittedly the most impatient of all) becoming more and more impatient as no meteors show up.
Alternatives would be a Doepfer eurorack set up
1700 squids would get a lot of stuff and easily mimic the MB spec(not the sound)
The eurorack format is a pain and I have never taken the jump to eurorack ( actually the main thing that stops me buying rack synths is a typical wooden case costs £300???)
The import cost of Synth.com modules is prohibitive but Moon modular would be worth a look especially before we say bye to the continent.
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From the Sound Design page (https://www.arturia.com/matrixbrute/sounddesign) it looks like steadily more units are finding their way out to select(!?) users (or just preset designers(?)). I guess it's futile asking Arturia about anything here, but I'll do it anyway ;) : is there now a rough schedule in place that you'd want to share?
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I would expect that there are only 1 or 2 MB's that are doing the rounds between designers who will be allowed to keep a MatrixBrute for a few weeks before sending it on.
Will the MB's be manufactured in the US? GAK seemed to think so.
Hope not , the price will rocket to £2500 if the MB has to be shipped over from the US.
The best place would be to manufacture the MB would be in Germany( of course)
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MatrixBrutes can be easily differentiated and identified by the unique wood grain in each. It's just like identifying individual elephants by their ears. Some might say it's an obsession to go in depth like this, I say it's just being thorough and fact oriented [1] ;D
As can be seen in the image below (click the image to open a new full size view), there are quite a few different MBs in the hands of sound designers and demonstrators, which is not unreasonable with several prototypes and several pre-production units. There'll soon be enough for everybody!
(http://i.imgur.com/hbGkUOK.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/hbGkUOK.jpg)
[1] Of course the internet hates thoroughness, facts, references etc., but I care not one jot!
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Dr Justice !!! ::)
What a sleuth ! , Pat yourself on the back and glow in self admiration with your wonderful detective work.
So there are 4 MBs at least. Can that mean that many, many more are about or would that be speculation ? ;D
The end pieces could be just different bits of wood that have been stuck on the ends after a refurb when the synth is returned. Eh ....Eh....
Like I said not many seem to be about , I would say 4 and these are probably having to be passed around ,
This product is months from launch never mind free distribution with a reasonable delivery time. I recognise the signs , My forte . looking for signs (of illness) The clue is in my post name
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From one doctor to another, you shouldn't try to make the worst of it. It's getting us all down. I recommend playing your AKS for 2 hours each day to ease the waiting :P
BTW, there are 10 or 11 different MBs identified in the picture. From my experience with consumer electronics development (hi-fi), there's often a few tens of a box made prior to the volume production ramping up. They're used for testing and fine tuning the production and QA process - and in the case of a synth, probably sent out to a few preset authors. I take it as a good sign that there are more than the first few prototypes round by now :)
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Sorry if I came across as terse, I aplogise.
My alterior motive is to provoke a comment , any comment , a squeak , anything about the MB , by being well provocative,
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Whoa!
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Whoa indeed! Where? When? How? Tell us more :)
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;D
JUST kidding
But they are shipping!
Did you get an email announcing this?
I have down loaded the manual and uploaded to an online printer , I have specified 180 gsm card for the printing with spiral binding and single sided printing .
Will settle my deposit up tomorrow morning and then sleepless nights waiting for delivery.
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No, I didn't get any e-mail. I generally opt out of company e-mail though...
It's not available quite yet. If you got to buy on from the Arturia store it says:
"ATTENTION: This product is currently in pre-order only. Shippings will begin on January 15th, 2017."
If nothing else, that looks like a firm date by Arturia.
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First units have been shipped...
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Are you able to say if any are coming to GAK in Brighton UK, they have 10 on order, one is mine.I tried to pay up today but the guy dealing with my order is still on Christmas holiday.
This synth is going to be a MONSTER success. I haven't had this feeling of desperation for an item since my 1st synth in 1984!
My brother is dithering between the MB and the MM model D re-release. Hope to convince him to get an MB
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I have down loaded the manual and uploaded to an online printer , I have specified 180 gsm card for the printing with spiral binding and single sided printing .
Just curious - who did you use to print out the manual? Good idea!
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I am in the UK. Just got mine today, it is A4 whilst the one with the synth looks like A5.
The diagram outlines look a little un-focussed.
I should have specified heavier paper and a stiffer cover as the manual is a little floppy.
The spiral binding is a must as it makes handling the manual over a synth easier and the one sided printing allows notes or routings to be recorded.
My order was from DoxDirect.
I get all my synth manuals printed by them so the originals remain pristine. 'This one was £18.
You can take it to Staples but They were pricier.
I use Staples to duplicate dust covers of vintage books e.g. A rare book about Sir Clive Sinclair.
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My brother is dithering between the MB and the MM model D re-release. Hope to convince him to get an MB
Is he mad? - the MatrixBrute wins hands down LOL :)
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I just got word from my supplier. My MB is to arrive at their facilities mid March :'(
That was the supplier I was recommended by Arturia to place my order with to get one early. So much for "available" in December, or "shipping" in January... ;)
With that my position officially changes from patient to desperate!
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MatrixBrute production is now full steam ahead, so you'll hopefully get yours sooner rather than later. Don't worry... the last couple of weeks wait will just make it so much sweeter when you get THAT phone call :)
You'll feel like you've won the lottery! Hope you love it when you get your hands on it.
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Thank you for the comforting words, Guy :)
I take it there's not much use in cancelling my order and trying to find some other dealer with an earlier date then...
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DrJustice
Do you know how many are above you on the list? Would you say who is the supplier?
I would stick to your current supplier.
My Sub 37 arrived in May 2016 having been promised it in December 2015.
I suspect the same will be with the MB, way way late.
When you get one it will be like a drink of ice cold water on a sweltering day, more sweet than words can express. Does any one know the production rate?
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@DrAKS,
my order is with Thomann, who has incidentally changed the official status from various dates via "not yet available" to "on request". I have no idea about my place on the list. I can't remember being so stoked for a synth since sometime in the early 80s.
Now looking for good offers on 2-3 months cryo-sleep :P
P.S. I posted this back in June last year on GS to illustrate the degree of anticipation:
(https://www.gearslutz.com/board/attachments/electronic-music-instruments-electronic-music-production/566239-arturia-matrixbrute-deepfreeze.jpg)
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I just asked the spirits Doc, they say you are a good man and they are going to work to get your order in really,really soon.
I feel the same as you. What I do is re-read the manual and make notes in the margins. Have you tried that? It serves to sate my thirst a little.
I have bought a broken DAB radio and I will try to fix it as a distraction.
I have prepared a place in my rig for the MB and I adjust its' connections and effects I will link to it.
It all helps
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Aye. I've got some software projects to keep me busy.
Perhaps we should meet up and have have AA (Arturians Anonymous) meetings with backorder therapy sessions ;D
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Could this be true?
http://www.guitarguitar.co.uk/keyboards/detail.asp?stock=160121292691008&gclid=CMqn8tbCvdECFQONGwodgjEIwA
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Could this be true?
http://www.guitarguitar.co.uk/keyboards/detail.asp?stock=160121292691008&gclid=CMqn8tbCvdECFQONGwodgjEIwA
Well, their delivery info says:
"Real Time Stock Levels
At GUITARGUITAR we operate a real-time stock management system so the second items are puchased online, or in store, the stock levels are adjusted so that we never oversell. Our aim is to give our customers the most accurate information so that you can buy in confidence knowing that your order will turn up when it should."
I'm at the checkout with one in my basket, for immediate delivery. I'm literally one click away from paying.... however, it could be a big mistake to switch supplier now and lose my position in the queue. Then again... Aaaahrg :o
Edit: In a lucid moment I checked how they define "available" for other items, and this one is only available for pre-order - it did not mean that you can pre order AND that they have 5+ items available. Phew! That was a close shave!
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Just imagine if you had clicked buy you could have got an email from guitar guitar by now saying
;D
'Your order is prepared for dispatch"
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Noooo! Stop it! It doesn't bear thinking about! :P
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It will come .........It will come
But mine will come 1st ;D
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Why faff around with pre-orders (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Arturia-MatrixBrute-Analoge-Avantgarde-Matrix-Brute-NEU-/252722403510)... Kind of a good sign.
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Hey Dr J , you gonna bite ?
with a risk of your order goin for a smite
or you gonna bide your time , by stayin in line!
Not bad for a 60 year old!
Have I a career as a rapper?
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I'm in two minds about it... And by the time I've come to any sort of conclusion, it'll be gone :-\
BTW, found the 'physical' shop here (https://www.laconic-records.de/Arturia_MatrixBrute/topic/tyNavigationTopicID_121/shop_art_id/19353/tpl/laconic_shop_detail/shop_option_id/19354).
Oh, and I think you'd better stay with Berlin School & Prog, mate ;D
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Did Tangerine Dream invent the Berlin School style?
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In my mind Tangerine Dream and Klaus Schulze are the origins of Berlin School. But then again, I'm disposed towards attributing the origin of the universe to TD/KS... Amongst others it might be a potential subject for heated debates. What do you reckon?
How come nobody has picked up that MB yet?!
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TD are synth Gods, ran into them in Manchester in the 1980's , Chris Frank asked for any good pubs, suggested the White Horse in Didsbury.
He recognised me screaming like a girl at the Apollo ??? and pointed at me.
Franke is my favourite, he has a knack with sequencers.
I have my name on the waiting list for the Cirklon , 7 months so far , probable delivery in June!
http://www.sequentix.com/cirklon.htm
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TD are synth Gods, ran into them in Manchester in the 1980's , Chris Frank asked for any good pubs, suggested the White Horse in Didsbury.
He recognised me screaming like a girl at the Apollo ??? and pointed at me.
Franke is my favourite, he has a knack with sequencers.
I was with DrAKS, him being my brother, and I rang him to tell him to get his backside down to Piccadilly as Froese and Franke were walking around and I'd chatted to them!! We talked to them in the foyer of what was then Lewis's. Froese didn't say much, Franke did and was happy to chat. Froese clearly couldn't wait to get away. After that night's gig, we managed to get back stage and chat some more, this time with Paul Haslinger too. My brother shook Froese's hand and said, I've always wanted to shake your hands" to which Froese quipped, " My name is not Hans, it is Edgar"! We didn't get it for a few seconds.....
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DrAS, considering the MB?
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What's your take on the Berlin School DRAS/
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Wait.. what!? DrAS? Is that really you DrAKS? Sudden onset of schizophrenia? I hope not... In any case, it has become a friggin' doctors' convention here now :P
Love the TD anecdote. I'd have to travel abroad to catch TD gigs, so it didn't happen until the "TD Plays Edgar Froese" -gig in Eindhoven 2008. Better late than never, even though my preferred TD period was with Froese and Franke and their companions. My biggest musical hero is Edgar Froese (RIP), so in a way that was the correct gig to catch.
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DrJ , sorry to say we are all Docs in our family. Ancestral orders are followed from being infants, you'll be a doc , you'll be a pilot , you'll be a barrister , its' just Hindu Indian culture. Our line seem to like Medical Doctors, though my uncle is a Major in the Indian Army just for a change.
Do you think the book Edgar Faroese started will ever be released (see TD website, I have had that on back order for months)
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Phew! OK, was worried for you for a moment there!
I've had the TD biography on order literally for years. There's now a message (https://www.ssl-id.de/edgarfroese.de/shop/products.php?p=c4fb33) saying "FINAL RELEASE DATE: 6th JUNE 2017!!"... Always waiting for things, eh, MatrixBrutes, Biographies, Cirklons - at least we have something to look forward to!
In other news, I've made an inquiry about that (those?) MatrixBrute(s?) that appear to be in stock at Laconic Records. We'll see...
Edit: One more IN STOCK! Get it by Wednesday, Jan. 18 (http://www.multisononline.com/sintetizadores/arturia-matrixbrute.html)
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One thing DrAS and I expect in the next 10 days is a re-issue of the minute by minute apollo 11 flight plan! (Kickstarter)
Read whilst playing the real time full audio file from launch to splash down could be very informative.
I expect my MB in the next 2 weeks.
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What's your take on the Berlin School DRAS/
I think TD did invent Berlin School of Electronic Music and I also think they pushed its evolution along with their innovation with custom equipment such as sequencers and the whole PPG Wave synth idea. I believe their feedback to PPG pushed the Wave synth design into areas a pure technician might not have thought about and the resultant machines pushed TD's musical development into areas no musician have gone before. What TD managed to do, in my opinion, was create a serious credible genre of music that lacked the frivolity of say Schulze's or Jarre's output. Their music was almost always in a minor key, sometimes venturing into the modes (Phrygian, Phrygian dominant 5 etc) which gives it a fascinating sense of foreboding and what sets them apart from Schulze et al., is they added a strong melodic lead to their music, especially after Stratosphere- something lacking in other performers of the genre. You can hum a TD tune but that's not so easy with other performer's music. I wonder if this reflects Froese's background in the use of guitar? The only other electronic band that has managed to do this is Redshift and their album 'Siren' is more TD than TD! A true masterpiece.
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Dugh
I agree wiv' my bruvver. dem scales are really scary .
Berlin School aficionados seem very small in number, Jarre is not one at all, Red Shift seem to be, it seems to be a matter of judgement.
Shall we start a definition of Berlin School style, maybe make a dance to it , call it Berlin school style!
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I think TD did invent Berlin School of Electronic Music and I also think they pushed its evolution...
Indeed. IMO few bands have had such an evolution without really breaking away from their own essence.
You can hum a TD tune but that's not so easy with other performer's music. I wonder if this reflects Froese's background in the use of guitar?
Could be. That and his piano playing. I think Edgar Froese was a magical melody master, as evidenced by hos solo albums. Just listen to Stuntman, a true masterpiece. Also, on the lesser known Kamikaze 1989 album, the melody on Police Disco is perhaps the most goose bump inducing ever for me.
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Pestered GAK again.
Small number of MB's to be released in 1-2 weeks. ::)
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DrAS, considering the MB?
NO! It only plays one note at a time! Now if they released the matrix bit as a stand alone.....
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Actually DrAS three notes at time, fancy one now?
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Hi there. I'm just wishing that arturia pull their finger out and send me my matrixbrute! It's been nearly a year since I ordered one.
They shouldn't be allowed to sell things if it's not even ready for production :(
I have many times debated buying something else rather then waiting for this synth to be sent to me. This feeling has grown now even more as on the arturia website they have put the date of shipping back again to the end of Feb :(
I'm tired of waiting now arturia. Get it together or risk losing lots of business.
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Why didn't you all just wait until it was actually released? It would stop all the hand-wringing and sleepless nights and may have made Arturia pull their collective fingers out (they only use three at a time it seems) since they don't make any money until they're shifting their machines off the shelves.
I remember my poor brother losing sleep waiting for his Subphatty and I saw them for sale in Dawsons only yesterday (his gathers dust now, by the way).
As Spock once said, "Sometimes wanting is better than having".......
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He is right! The sub 37 is hardly used now, the joy is in the chase , as said by the great philosopher , Alan Braithwaite just after the police caught him.
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I wonder if quality control is the issue slowing production. The production rate seems to be 20/month , similar to Sub 37 production rates
It would be interesting to see how many botch jumper wires are on the circuit boards.
This is usually a sign of design issues , components not being up to spec , or production issues.
Will anyone be brave enough to open their MB to count the botch wires?
I suspect not, once you have one you will not care about the rest of us with our noses against the window. :'(
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The joy is having a synth to play not in the chase so you say! And if I had a sub 37 it would be used everyday.
Also when I ordered the MB Dawson's music was saying it was available in a week. Now it's 10 months later and still nothing.
They shouldn't be allowed to sell it if it's not ready or at least tell the customer on these music sites a real eta not utter BS.
Also it p****s me off that some people on this site have got theirs already and they haven't had theirs on order for as long as me :(
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Surgery hours and out of hours commitments prevent me from using my gear as much as I want. There is always some one who is ill!
When I get a chance to have a go, it has been so long since my last go I have to get the manual out if I can find it!
I plan to just focus on my MB
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HI guys,
from Italy here.
after cancelling order from Thomann (delivery half March) and Music Store (end of February) I just got mine yesterday in an unexpected way, since I saw a shop in Rome having one for demonstration, and the guy told me that they had one (only one) for selling.
from yesterday, I have my MatrixBrute in the studio!
it's... unbelievable.
try modulating pitch between VCO 1&2 with some adds.. it sounds like hell!
I'm loving it as I never thought!
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Well done Lensflare you are a lucky person indeed!
I now wonder if there is a protocol here ?
I paid my deposit many months ago.
Arturia have me in their pocket ok?
You went in as a not commited customer.
So you get one immediatly :o
Arturia get a sale they may have missed out on and I am still low on the list :-X
I would like a little loyalty to those with an order in place.
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HI guys,
from Italy here.
after cancelling order from Thomann (delivery half March) and Music Store (end of February) I just got mine yesterday in an unexpected way, since I saw a shop in Rome having one for demonstration, and the guy told me that they had one (only one) for selling.
from yesterday, I have my MatrixBrute in the studio!
it's... unbelievable.
try modulating pitch between VCO 1&2 with some adds.. it sounds like hell!
I'm loving it as I never thought!
Congrats! :)
Would the shop be this one (http://www.multisononline.com/sintetizadores/arturia-matrixbrute.html)? If so they have more in stock...
The Spanish shop linked to previously has one (or more?) in stock, German Laconic Records who had it in stock are getting 1 or 2 more this week they say. So it's becoming available in 'random' shops and on eBay, while the most enthusiastic and supportive customers with pre-orders aren't seeing anything, presumably for a good while yet - not sure if that's a good strategy for the roll out, even if it will be a happy day when it finally arrives and all that.
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Calling Arturia.
May we have some feedback on this matter please. Just some explanation and perhaps consolation.
I do feel quite hurt 😭, like being stood up on a date
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I agree with you DraKs. We need answers. To me it looks like they have taken all our money and don't give a flying f**k about us.
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Hi guys,
Very sorry to hear that some very early adopters couldn't get their hands on a MatrixBrute, while some late(r) ones could.
It seems as unfair to me as it feels to you!
As a developer I don't know the very details of our sales/logistics/etc dpts, but I do know that we sent units to our distributors all around the world, and I believe it is not easy to control everything that happens after that.
Now I can say that our production rate is far, far superior to the 20/month guess that was made here! I know that for a fact... I was checking the production line last week - literally surrounded by MatrixBrutes !
A lot of MatrixBrutes are ready, and a lot of them are already sailing on the seven seas. But those trips take weeks... hence the wait.
(Also, no strap or anything like that on the pcbs)
I really look forward to you getting your MatrixBrute... and us getting your feedback ! (I truely hope you will find it worth the wait, I believe it is ; at least I feel it was worth the hard work.. and that wasn't exactly a piece of cake ;)
Cheers
Thierry
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Thank you for your reply, I apologise for other posters bad language , it should be discouraged and removed.
We appreciate your efforts and truly our impatience is a great compliment to you all at Arturia .
You undoubtedly have all engaged in gargantuan efforts to bring this already iconic instrument to us.
I will remain impatient nevertheless
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I understand that the developers have nothing to do with the logistics. However, it's beginning to become a question of whether anything is being done about it, or if everything is just being sent out willy-nilly. If it's a mystery for the logistics people, here's a plan: ask distributors for lists of retailers who have customers with pre-orders, and that's were you send the first batches.
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DraKs Im using bad language because it's warranted. Nearly a years wait is too long :(
I appreciate that the MB is a beast of a synth and will be a nightmare to build but I do think they have gone about the selling of it all wrong. It should of only just come into sale in music stores this year as it's now in production.
I appreciate the post by arturia today saying they are shipping but it's still not a definite answer of when we will receive our goods :(
There's no saying that this shipment will be for the back orders of the synth.
I really do think they should tell their customers a date and stick to it.
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Agreed Dr.Justice :) it's not hard ;)
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Bad language is never warranted. It is diminutive and a degradation of standards.
It never adds anything always assembles barriers , I know from bitter experience working at the sharp end of the NHS.
Please do not swear on the forum
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I think your wrong. Bad language is needed now and again especially when a company takes nearly 2grand of my very hard earned money and dosent come up with anything at all. It was posted to make my feelings clear and to create a reaction.
I think if more people kicked up a fuss then arturia will pull their fingers out. Which is well overdue.
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Now I can say that our production rate is far, far superior to the 20/month guess that was made here! I know that for a fact... I was checking the production line last week - literally surrounded by MatrixBrutes !
A lot of MatrixBrutes are ready, and a lot of them are already sailing on the seven seas. But those trips take weeks... hence the wait.
Thanks for the information Thierry. I was getting concerned as to what the production rate was. All we have to do now is wait for the ships to arrive with the goods!
It must feel good seeing all those MatrixBrutes piled up in the factory and knowing that you helped develop them!
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Would the shop be this one (http://www.multisononline.com/sintetizadores/arturia-matrixbrute.html)? If so they have more in stock...
Hi,
no, it's a local music store in Rome.
actually, I was only lucky.
the store told me that they placed an order in Arturia as dealer more than 6 months ago.
they recevied 1 device for showing and 1 device for selling.
being this shop not one of the main shops in Rome (neither in italy of course) I was lucky in finding their availability just the day after the matrixbrute arrival in the shop.
probably, most of the people were pushing directly Arturia, Thomann and the biggest shops while "forgetting" that some minor shops could have placed orders month ago, so in pole position for the first shipments.
I think Arturia is simply following the basic rules (FIFO) the first ordering, the first shipping.
I contacted Arturia in december, they told me that firs tunits were shipping to the first dealers alla aroun the world which placed an order.
they gently suggested me to order from Thomann.
I placed the order and in the first week of January Thomann told me that shipment was foreseen for half March (!)
I already told what happened after.
I was only lucky, I managed 2 orders cancellation, and bought my MB when the funds on the credit cards were still locked for Music Store...
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The distribution concerns are becoming a dominant issue on this informative forum.
I wonder if this could be turned around through customers providing proof of order date and Arturia fulfilling those orders in date order
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Hi,
Just a quick precision : Arturia does not get a dime from pre-orders (other than the ones from the Arturia Webstore, which opened last month with an availability warning). Retailers take them, and -hopefully- fulfill them as soon as they are sent units (provided they have ordered some!)
However this issue is a real concern and it has been raised to our sales team. I must admit that with Namm show going on I am not sure how fast we can get an answer to it.
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Thank you for your rapid and informative response. It is reassuring to know that this issue is being taken seriously by the sales team.
So the deposit sits with the retailer...no benefit to Arturia, a point well made which perhaps has not had acknowledgement from customers.
I hope Arturia's sales team consider my idea and perhaps give it some consideration.
The feed back that will be generated from users such Dr.Justice , Glen:) and me when we report about our experiences with an MB will surely be supportive to Arturia. We would like to be the early adopters and we are dedicated to getting the most from our kit if only we had an MB
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Thank you Thierry! It's good to know that consideration is given to the issue.
You see, by making these extraordinary bold synths, you create extraordinary anticipation with synth enthusiasts ;)
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If the Arturia website had taken preorders earlier in the year , I would have ordered directly from Arturia
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Hello all,
I join the conversation, as I am also concerned by the resellers delays issue. I am glad to know that theres lots of matrixbrutes coming out from assembly lines but the problem is that I ordered on 6th of january in a big online reseller here in France: they first announced delivery starts on 3rd of february and today I just noticed that they postponed it to the 24th of february ! Kind of a big deception ... I understand that preorders come first but almost 2 months is a very long time, next time I ll prefer small resellers, with better service and advices, and physical stocks! Not virtual ones...
You give them money in advance and you have to wait till they get their stock. Thats not fair business .
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Agreed Reaktiv. The date they give is always put back so expect your 2 months wait to go on alot longer. Join the queue with the rest of us and maybe in 2017 we might get some more promotional videos to watch of the MB!!! Because I seriously think that's all were gonna get ;)
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Good news for our US friends: GigaSonic in the US have MatrixBrutes in stock here (http://www.gigasonic.com/Arturia-MatrixBrute.html). More than 10 available according to their eBay listing (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Arturia-MatrixBrute-49-key-Analog-Monophonic-Synthesizer-New-Matrix-Brute-/371843040427?hash=item56939284ab:g:vH8AAOSwA3dYgBjO). Also starting to appear in stock in several other shops.
So it's becoming available in numbers even across the pond, but seemingly none are even close to finding their way to Thomann, the recommended place for pre-orders. I'm not going to make the obvious comment... :-X ;)
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I share you disappointment Dr.Justice, The US is THE most important country in the world and THE biggest market.
So who can blame Arturia for following the money/orders, I now understand why my MB has not been delivered and blame the retailer for hanging on to my deposit.
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I'd think there's plenty of money/orders closer to home. Thomann had a turnover of $648M in 2013 vs Sweetwater with $353M in 2014. I.e. Thomann now probably has close to twice the turnover of Sweetwater, and they have more than 8 million customers in umpteen countries. Only Guitar Center is bigger.
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America is bigger and of course NAMM blows all else out de water ;D
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Just checked online. It says Dawson's music have the MB in stock ready for dispatch. Still not got mine which I ordered from dawsons :(
Grrrrrr :(:(
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However this issue is a real concern and it has been raised to our sales team. I must admit that with Namm show going on I am not sure how fast we can get an answer to it.
Any news from the sales team?
I spoke to Thomann today, the latest news is "If we get the units as announced, we should get your MatrixBrute end of February.". That's an improvement from mid March, but based on the history, that may not mean much. Steadily more people getting are theirs from walking into random shops and even on eBay.
Arturia specifically recommended me and others to place pre-orders with Thomann, so at this point some kind of effort is needed to make that recommendation meaningful.
Edit: If not for the Thomann recommendation I'd shut up and get it from somewhere else, but I'm already on my second pre-order as I had to move it from my local preferred retailer who are denied selling Arturia products on the grounds of not having a shop floor with demo units on display.
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Thanks DrJustice. I saw your post Fri morning 1-20. Went to website and ordered a Matrix by 7am. All 10 were gone by Sat. morning. I just received mine last evening (1 week wait, not bad). For the last few months I have been checking at 10 different retailers, all were waiting for shipment, wonder how Gigasonic (California) got 10 in ? Oh well, I guess by March things will be in stock everywhere.
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MUSIC STORE professional GmbH has recently bumped the date to April 22, 2017. While not quite on the scale of Thomann they are a very large retailer.
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However this issue is a real concern and it has been raised to our sales team. I must admit that with Namm show going on I am not sure how fast we can get an answer to it.
If a similar bump is to be expected for Thomann, I will probably cancel my pre-order there and move on, perhaps getting the MB from one of the many smaller shops with the synth in stock. I therefore have to ask again: is there any news from the sales team?
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BUMP!
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And the saga continues:
Thomann's date for today is March 10...
Again, although I have a feeling they don't give a rat's arse:
@Arturia - what are the sales people saying??? This is Thomann for Pete's sake!
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Let me join the conversation and give you some feedback about shipping dates in Germany (I am sure things are the same in other EU countries).
Thomann and Music Store have both received a bunch of units in January, and so have some of the smaller shops. Considering the size of shops like Music Store and Thomann (and Just Musc and Session Music and Hieber-Lindberg and so on), the list of pre-orders is probably quite long.
So if Music Store or Thomann (or any shop) changes the "date of availability" from February to March, it does NOT indicate that they will get the first or next units in March. It only indicates, that NEW orders will PROBABLY ship in March (they might be shipping sooner than that).
German shops (including Music Store and Thomann) will get units in February and will be able to process their list of pre-orders in February.
The reason why you see some users receiving a MatrixBrute while the "lights" are still red in the shop's product page is that Arturia is shipping in small batches and they are trying to cover many countries at once. So there are a bunch of units in the UK and some in France and some in Asia and some in the States and some in Germany and some in Austria, Switzerland, Italy, Spain ...
But since Arturia could ramp up the production (units build per day), more units coming in fast now and I assume that the situation will be getting much more relaxed during February and March.
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Thank you for your thoughts, tomeso! :)
IMO there has been a misjudgement in the distribution priority. The obvious big sellers who have had it announced for a year and taking lots of pre-orders, should have gotten a lot more units to be able to fulfill orders, whereas "mom & pop" shops in "remote areas" relying on casual pick up might as well have gotten less. Giving out recommendations to place pre-orders with Thomann was clearly not a good idea. Oh well, I guess it's too late in the process to address it now.
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Well, the "big players" for sure got more units than "mom & pop" but you should concider this:
If a small dealer gets 5 units and has a list of 3 pre-orders, the light will go green in his webshop. This is true even if he receives only one unit but has not taken any pre-orders.
If a large dealer will get 100 units and has 105 pre-orders, the light will still stay red.
It has always been like that and there is not a lot Arturia or a distributor can do about.
But as I mentioned earlier, things are moving forward now and I am sure you will get your MatrixBrute soon. ;)
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For those of us that are not so lucky to find a MB in a small shop somewhere or are not famous enough, I'm hoping that the MB will be more easily available next month in March when Arturia start shipping their pre-orders. If I don't get my MB next month I will be severely [CENSORED] I can tell you!
In the meantime I have been twiddling my thumbs, rearranging the studio just for the sake of it and eyeing up other synths and kit.
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Do not be tempted to buy from anything other than your normal dealer in case of warranty issue
If you buy out of country you risk having no after sale servicing/support.
Ebay = big NO NO NO ---Auturia could refuse servicing on Ebay grey market Matrixbrutes!!!
if you are lucky enough to live in UK juno are selling for UK1382/USD1700
http://www.juno.co.uk/products/arturia-matrixbrute-analog-synthesizer/598837-01/
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I'm hoping that the MB will be more easily available next month in March when Arturia start shipping their pre-orders.
Bugger! I spoke too soon. Arturia now say they are shipping mid March... then it will be end of March, then April, May... :-(
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You will get it soon pxpt I'm sure. It's worth the wait too :)
If your that desperate come n have a go on mine :)
Don't give up hope chap. It could be in the post for you right now ;)
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Ordered mine March 5th 2016, got it last friday. Finally :D. But worthwhile waiting for. Must have been quite complex programming. Congrats to Arturia, this will most likely become an Iconic Instrument.
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Any news from the sales team?
Just wanted to let you know that there will be more happy MatrixBrute users in Germany/Austria by the end of this week. ;)
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Ordered mine January 2nd 2017, from a big european dealer. It is on his way today. Can't wait.
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Just wanted to let you know that there will be more happy MatrixBrute users in Germany/Austria by the end of this week. ;)
There does indeed seem to be some movements... :)
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Just wanted to let you know that there will be more happy MatrixBrute users in Germany/Austria by the end of this week. ;)
there is ;)
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Hoorah and rejoice!
My MatrixBrute arrived yesterday totally out of the blue (like a large drinks bill). I've unpacked it and placed it on the shelf I've prepared for it but haven't actually hooked it up to anything yet or turned it on. That will have to wait until I can get home later on tonight. Cannot wait. Also, I may have to visit my doctor for a bad back! That thing was heavy LOL. Initial impressions was WOW - the MB is very well made. Looks like a million dollars!
One very happy bunny :)
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Received mine yesterday.
My first impressions are very positives.
I play thru the presets and i have to say that some of them are really impressive and well programmed. ( i'm not a "perdreau de l'année" wich means in french that i'm not a bird of the year ( 40 years of synth programmation) ).
The programmation of the beast is not obvious because of all the parameters wich can interfered and some of them are very sensitive.
I have a pretty big modular system and i try to communicate with it, piece of cake.
The only default i find for now is that the midi command center doesn't function on my music dedicate computer with windows7, but i managed to use it on a laptop with Windows 10. I suspect that the problem is because i use copperlan on my music computer wich perhaps make a conflict. ( not sure ). The midi command center saw that there is a matrix brute connected but failed to connect to it.
I also own a Sub37 and i can't figure a sound on it i couldn't reproduice on the matrixbrute and NO, i don't want to sell my sub37 because i love it.