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Title: Next Vintage Emulations?
Post by: omissis on January 28, 2005, 03:17:28 pm
1. Roland VP-330 ( simple 10 band vocoder with strings-human voice , paraphonic machine,played by all the major musicians and groups in the '80s, the string/choirs behind all '80's Vangelis recordings and Laurie Anderson's "O Superman" masterpiece!)

2. ELKA Synthex ( Jarre's main synthesizer, even today !)

3. Marion System MSR-2 (Well this latter isn't really serious but, if you can' t use the Oberheim TM you can always build a rare and sweet-sounding synth that Tom Oberheim himself designed!!!)
Title: Next Vintage Emulations?
Post by: GeeBee on February 01, 2005, 03:51:22 pm
The "Helga" softsynth is not an Elka synthex emulation ?

VP 330, it could be interesting, because there's not a lot of choir/voice synths

some people were talking about an oberheim emulation in development...

I would like a synthi AKS as I said in another post lol ;)
Title: Next Vintage Emulations?
Post by: omissis on February 01, 2005, 04:00:40 pm
Yes ,Helga is somewhat of a Synthex emulation but lacks some important features like the fundamental Chorus circuit and the highly versatile 4 tracks sequencer....

VP 330 is a lot sought after because of its vocoder and pads which are still unimitated ,they give loads of feeling to compositions

About the Oberheim we are waiting until their graces will release the permission on the TM...

For the AKS look there
http://http://couprie.pierre.free.fr/indexSynthe.html

if you have a Mac it can be suitable


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Title: Next Vintage Emulations?
Post by: GeeBee on February 01, 2005, 04:45:37 pm
I found a windows VST emulation
http://www.emsrehberg.de/SYNTHI__s/SYNTHI_Avs_plugin/synthi_avs_plugin.html
but it never worked on my computer lol  :?
Title: Next Vintage Emulations?
Post by: Man-Machine on February 03, 2005, 04:49:59 pm
What do you guys know about the Obereheim license? Who owns it now? Viscount or Gibson?

Somebody mentioned a Oberheim project Arturia was working on but couldn't get a license... OBXa please!!!!
Title: Next Vintage Emulations?
Post by: FabP on February 04, 2005, 01:15:34 pm
Gibson is the owner of the Oberheim license, and they don't seem to agree to let us make an Oberheim emulation.
Title: Next Vintage Emulations?
Post by: Man-Machine on February 06, 2005, 05:17:00 pm
Elka Synthex
EMS VCS3 or Synthi


These are the last big ones I can think of that haven't been emulated yet and that shouldn't have too much legal issues. Of course the market right now is starving for any classic Roland and/or Oberheim. Just to list a few of the "must be emulated" list:

Roland Jupiter 8 - with some features of the Jupiter 6
Roland Juno 60 - with some features from the Juno 106
Roland SH-5 - Perhaps the best of the SH series
Roland System 100 - Classic Roland modular
Oberheim OBX - with the modulations of the Matrix series
SCI Pro-One - My favorite monosynth!

And here's some classics that have been emulated but are older generation VSTis and I think need to be redone:

PPG Wave - the Waldorf version is 80% there, just the filter is not quite right.
Prophet 5 - same thing, about 80% there. I have the Creamware version that nails it.
Title: Next Vintage Emulations?
Post by: omissis on February 06, 2005, 05:29:27 pm
Quote
Elka Synthex
EMS VCS3 or Synthi

These are the last big ones I can think of that haven't been emulated yet and that shouldn't have too much legal issues. Of course the market right now is starving for any classic Roland and/or Oberheim. Just to list a few of the "must be emulated" list:

Roland Jupiter 8 - with some features of the Jupiter 6
Roland Juno 60 - with some features from the Juno 106
Roland SH-5 - Perhaps the best of the SH series
Roland System 100 - Classic Roland modular
Oberheim OBX - with the modulations of the Matrix series
SCI Pro-One - My favorite monosynth!

And here's some classics that have been emulated but are older generation VSTis and I think need to be redone:

PPG Wave - the Waldorf version is 80% there, just the filter is not quite right.
Prophet 5 - same thing, about 80% there. I have the Creamware version that nails it.  

 
Synthex, yes! I proposed it too some time ago, the hardest things to do are in my opinion the Chorus circuit and the 4 track sequencer

VCS3: clever idea too but let's keep things as they were, i.e. monophonic with a poliphony given by more instances

System 100: agree too, even if it was a very simple synth ....
In my opinion it would be nice to see come the VP330 out, it had tons of personality even if it was a simple vocoder\string\choir machine......but I think that to emulate Roland stuff will be much harder on the label\logos permission side....
 
Wave...well some days ago I thought about the Waldorf Wave , that huge keyboard of mid-90s which expanded the PPG capabilities to unimaginable : formant synthesis, 8-op FM, sample treatment, simply a miracle keyboard!

anyway I need the most important thing for the moment: will the actual synthesizers be improved!, especially the CS-80V
Title: Next Vintage Emulations?
Post by: Man-Machine on February 06, 2005, 10:17:34 pm
Boy, I forgot a big one that I like a lot. The Rhodes Chroma! That would be an excellent synth to emulate! Check this site out. It has some samples to give you guys an idea...

http://www.bluesynths.com/3Soundfiles-e/chroma.html
Title: Next Vintage Emulations?
Post by: drbach on February 08, 2005, 10:33:56 am
It seems, we have the same preferences:

Elka Synthex
Rhodes Chroma
and
Oberheim OBXa (with Modulation capabilities like Matrix 12)
(I hope, the problem with the license would be resolved soon.)

and EMS VCS 3 (or AKS),

but there could be the same licence problem.
EMS Rehberg has an VCS 3 Software, bur only for PC, no Mac :(
It seems, they won't produce a Mac-Version (I asked EMS a few months ago)

drbach
Title: Next Vintage Emulations?
Post by: omissis on February 08, 2005, 01:47:25 pm
Heh, the Synthex would be something nice 8) !

On Oberheims I'd rather prefer the OBX than the OBXa because it had the original SEM lowpass and a wilder sound than the "a" model (listen to Queen's "The Game" !).

I never listened to a Chroma as far as I remember so I couldn't tell if I would like its sound or not....however the original user interface was simply AWFUL :shock:  :shock: !!

I think that Arturia legacy misses a vocoder, so why not a virtual Roland VP330 ? Well the hardest thing to emulate would be the Chorus because it sounds unique, and the only improving I would make would be a switchable option between "real" behaviour ( which means Paraphonic, frequency divided full polyphony ) and a "synthesizer" behaviour at limited polyphony ( 6 or 8 voices ) but with a correct "Reset" or "Cycle" assignment...

And lastly a digital one....I've already proposed a Waldorf Wave because in my knowledge it is the most powerful digital synthesizer ever made...it did also an 8 operators FM , just like it was on ancient Yamaha GS-1  8)  8)  8)  !!![/b]
Title: Next Vintage Emulations?
Post by: Man-Machine on February 08, 2005, 06:43:15 pm
If I have to vote for only one synth the Elka Synthex would get my vote.  Check out these reviews:

http://www.bluesynths.com/1Tests-e/Elka-Synthex.html

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/dec99/articles/elka.htm

http://www.futureproducers.com/article.php/id/38?PHPSESSID=51a1b3a7497716f8be6cc31beb908455

I want a Synthex!!!
Title: Next Vintage Emulations?
Post by: poropat on February 15, 2005, 03:58:27 am
Quote from: "Man-Machine"
If I have to vote for only one synth the Elka Synthex would get my vote.  Check out these reviews:

http://www.bluesynths.com/1Tests-e/Elka-Synthex.html

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/dec99/articles/elka.htm

http://www.futureproducers.com/article.php/id/38?PHPSESSID=51a1b3a7497716f8be6cc31beb908455

I want a Synthex!!!


Synthex is a fantastic synthesizer, even I just bought a real one
I would buy a synthex V too.

Some other dream machines would be

- Matrix 12 with option switching VCO/VCF between matrix 12 and OBX/OBXA.
- Jupiter 8
- Prophet VS
- AKS/VCS3
Title: Next Vintage Emulations?
Post by: omissis on February 15, 2005, 10:01:54 am
Hi

Well, to what it seems there a little community of Synthex fans is growing ( Xav, d'you remember when I came out with this a couple months ago while breaking your balls with CS-80V issues :wink: ?? ) ....let's admit it, Synthex was very undermarketed at the time but it needs to be buried out as it had real analog balls despite a digital tuning control ( show me how many DCOs at the times were able to do wild PWMs as Synthex's and I will say these are DCOs too!). What I liked in the past of Synthex was its inner Sequencer. it was maybe the first multi-timbral sequencer in history, all 4 tracks you could chain as you liked to get impressive sequences and by playing with the joystick you could achieve some sort of "morphing" too, this in 1983!

For the rest...

JP-8 is already emulated by Roland itself in the Vari-OS (name Vari-OS8)

Prophet VS is already emulated with name "Vector Sector", especially designed by one of the original "VS" team at SCI

Synthi AKS is already emulated with a good Mac emulation ( at present I don't remember the site,sorry )
Title: Next Vintage Emulations?
Post by: Man-Machine on February 15, 2005, 09:55:35 pm
The Jupiter 8 emulation on the VariOS is very weak. Much like Steinberg's MiniMg emulation Model E.  Roland even admitedlly said that they were just trying to have the flavor of the Jupiter series but not emulating any of them particularly. Same thing with their JP-8000 which I had and did not sound like a Jupiter even though it carries the name. Same goes for the SH-32 and Juno-D, which just carry the name for marketing purposes.  There's no decent software emulation of any Jupiter currently (same for Oberheims). If legal issues weren't a problem, Rolands and/or Oberheims would get my vote instead of a Synthex. Also, a Roland or Oberheim emulation would also sell more IMO ;)
Title: Next Vintage Emulations?
Post by: GeeBee on March 06, 2005, 02:12:14 pm
some emulations here :
EFM VSTI (http://www.ele4music.com/efm_vst.html)
made with synthedit.
I don't know if they sound like originals but they sound quite good for me.
The synthi emulation is hungry  :roll:

That's why I ask again for a synthi AKS : :D
Title: Synthi AKS
Post by: poropat on March 30, 2005, 06:57:26 pm
Quote from: "GeeBee"
I found a windows VST emulation
http://www.emsrehberg.de/SYNTHI__s/SYNTHI_Avs_plugin/synthi_avs_plugin.html
but it never worked on my computer lol  :?


I tried this demo, I could make it work on my computer,
sound is absolutely incredible. The only shortcoming it's
it uses much CPU (it's made with synthedit), and it's
expensive 350Euro, but at the same time it's impossible
to buy it, as on the site there are no procedure to buy
the product and the author never replies e-mails.
(I saw many people wished to buy it unsuccessfuly).

So here Arturia could help...
Title: Re: Synthi AKS
Post by: GeeBee on April 16, 2005, 03:24:44 pm
Quote from: "poropat"


So here Arturia could help...

Hehe, listen to this Arturia :p
Next must be Synthi AKS  :D
Title: Next Vintage Emulations?
Post by: omissis on April 16, 2005, 05:48:54 pm
IMO the Arturia Classic synths legacy should be completed by some different kind of generators; MMV , MiniMV and CS-80V are the best examples for the analog emulation, now I feel that a Vocoder, a Classic Sampler , a Wavetable and a FM could be a nice and suitable accomplishment of the mission;

for the Vocoder I suggest the VP-330 , maybe the MOST used ever ( L. Anderson, Kraftwerk, Jarre, Hankcock, Air, Vangelis, Tomita and so on....) remarkable for its quality as a vocoder and as a string-human voice machine

Classic Sampler: I suggest a module able to contain all the factory library coming from Fairlight CMI IIx, Emulator 1 and 2, PPG Waveterm, with FFT ( as on CMI ) and subtractive ( as o E-MU ) resynthesis ability :D

Wavetable...simple: a Waldorf WaveV 8)

FM: I wish someone would ever build an 8op FM synth as it was on the old  Yamaha GS-1 and the above mentioned Wave

Just this : what do you think about my proposals? :twisted:  :twisted:
Title: Next Vintage Emulations?
Post by: omissis on April 18, 2005, 09:41:48 am
For the classic sampler : there's no need 4 Arturia actually to loan or buy an ancient one ( well one, just one is needed and it's E-I ) , for example the E-II sounds are transferrable onto an old Mac with old Digidesign's "Sound Designer" program ( it was cool, there was an E-II dedicated version which used FFT resynthesis, FM , graphic visualizations etc... )
Title: Next Vintage Emulations?
Post by: Man-Machine on April 18, 2005, 04:26:13 pm
Good luck getting Arturia to release a Roland VP-330 vocoder (or any Roland products for that matter...) after their Oberheim license issues. I don't know where Waldorf products stand as of now so don't hold your breath for a Wave either....

Still dreaming of a nice Jupiter 8 emulation... :(
Title: Next Vintage Emulations?
Post by: omissis on April 18, 2005, 04:33:36 pm
Well , Yamaha had nothing to obstacle the creation of a CS-80 although they didn't allow the usage of the TM :roll:
Title: Next Vintage Emulations?
Post by: Man-Machine on April 20, 2005, 04:12:17 pm
In that case, just like they did with the big Mg and MiniMg, they could release a little version of the CS-80 like a Yamaha CS-15 monosynth. I have one and I love it. Pretty different from what's out there now...
Title: Next Vintage Emulations?
Post by: omissis on April 20, 2005, 09:53:15 pm
....or maybe a CS-40M or a CS-60 at half the price :roll:  :roll:  :roll:

 :wink:
Title: Next Vintage Emulations?
Post by: GeeBee on October 22, 2005, 12:36:02 pm
something new soon ?  8)
Title: Next Vintage Emulations?
Post by: Didz@dron on October 23, 2005, 12:00:24 pm
Brass  :twisted:
Title: Next Vintage Emulations?
Post by: omissis on October 23, 2005, 01:07:43 pm
Who knows :wink:  :wink:  :wink:  :?:  :?:  :?:
Title: Next Vintage Emulations?
Post by: Tony Ostinato on October 23, 2005, 03:06:27 pm
Maybe a Rhodes/Arp Chroma,

or at least someone could reproduce some of the chromas famous patchbanks in arturia arp2600.
Title: Next Vintage Emulations?
Post by: benoski on December 31, 2005, 12:59:50 am
i got my january issue of keyboard mag, and there is an add for Arturia's Prophet V :-)

if you buy any music mags like keyboard or maybe sound on sound? maybe the ad is already out. who knows.

looks cool btw. hehe.
Title: Next Vintage Emulations?
Post by: DjFabU on December 31, 2005, 04:19:22 pm
bugfixes!!
Title: Next Vintage Emulations?
Post by: poropat on January 01, 2006, 12:32:43 am
really? :shock:
Are you sure it's not the keyboard mag of April 1st???
If it's true it would be a very good new, it would mean Arturia
didn't completely forget vintage emulations :roll:

So, happy new year 2006 to every people, and could the vintage force
be with us.
Title: Next Vintage Emulations?
Post by: Didz@dron on January 02, 2006, 12:37:19 pm
Quote
it would mean Arturia
didn't completely forget vintage emulations


Why would they forget them, the Tae technology needs exploring further  :wink:
Title: Next Vintage Emulations?
Post by: poropat on January 02, 2006, 02:42:30 pm
it's because since many months, arturia seem much idle on their vintage
emulations. Seems because they focus much on brass.
Title: Next Vintage Emulations?
Post by: mwalthius on January 02, 2006, 05:20:57 pm
Quote from: "benoski"
i got my january issue of keyboard mag, and there is an add for Arturia's Prophet V :-)

if you buy any music mags like keyboard or maybe sound on sound? maybe the ad is already out. who knows.

looks cool btw. hehe.


Yes - I received the same mag - full page ad for Arturia's prophet-v (page 47) but I can't find anything about it here.  There is no release date or "coming soon" in the ad.  It appears to be both "The Analog Prophet 5" and "The Digital Prophet VS."  Looks AWESOME.
Title: Next Vintage Emulations?
Post by: poropat on January 02, 2006, 05:48:27 pm
A prophet V + a Prophet VS in one  :o
very interesting, but I would call it a polyevolver-V :lol:
hope Dave Smith won't be scared :twisted:
Title: Next Vintage Emulations?
Post by: poropat on January 02, 2006, 11:05:48 pm
So, now, people from Arturia, as everyone on this planet
could knows about Prophet-V, it would be good to announce
officialy the content and the release date of this new vintage VST. :wink:
Title: Next Vintage Emulations?
Post by: benoski on January 02, 2006, 11:07:36 pm
Quote from: "mwalthius"
Quote from: "benoski"
Yes - I received the same mag - full page ad for Arturia's prophet-v (page 47) but I can't find anything about it here.  There is no release date or "coming soon" in the ad.  It appears to be both "The Analog Prophet 5" and "The Digital Prophet VS."  Looks AWESOME.


so thats what it was. prophet vs! how come i never knew about it?  :shock:

hehe. damn me. :-)
Title: Next Vintage Emulations?
Post by: Didz@dron on January 03, 2006, 09:23:52 am
I guess the Arturians will expose it at the Namm first. Then, we'll be knowing more  :wink: Right after releasing brass, here comes another new great challenge for Arturia !
Title: Next Vintage Emulations?
Post by: omissis on January 03, 2006, 08:06:42 pm
Hi guys
Just a question: looking around there are many instruments emulating both the P-5 and the P-VS:

NordLead
Evolver
Pro53
VectorSector
Prophet Plus
Prophet Creamware.

I believe that the ProphetV can be the best among them but the main questions are:

Was there the need for another Prophet emulation?
Is the Prophet such this miracle synth compared with a CS80, a Synthex or a Matrix?

I don't have any purpose for a rant, just curious to read your opinions!
Title: Next Vintage Emulations?
Post by: poropat on January 04, 2006, 12:58:39 am
Personally, I'm not disappointed but a bit surprised about this new
emulation.
Surprised because now if we wish a prophet 5+prophet VS
the best way is to buy a polyevolver, because it's not modeling,
it's with the real analog filters of prophet 5, and the wave shapes of
the VS. Dave Smith said with polyevolver, sound of prophet 5 no problem,
sound of VS, not 100%, but could be near.
Of course to get 8 voice, need A polyevolver Keyboard+a rack, and
it's not cheap.

So I think it's the first prophet 5/VS emulation with TAE, I think it'll be
interesting, but if it's me I choose, I feel a synthex emulation would
have been more proper. At the same time because it really has a great personality and because it's much more difficult to find a synthex than a prophet 5 or VS on second hand market.
(no I don't sell my synthex :D ).
For matrix, they seem have a problem with Gibson & Viscount who
against because of Oberheim name. Too bad, an emulation which would
be the fusion of an OBXa and a matrix 12 would be amazing,
they are rare synthesizers too. :roll:
Title: Next Vintage Emulations?
Post by: omissis on January 04, 2006, 08:14:24 am
Hey, you have a nice collection by now, got a Synthex too? I love that sound, especially the chorused pad ( no laser harps please, I hate sync though! ).
I would have been happy and probably even Mr.Maggi himself could have supported it , anyway I could have been happy with a PolySEM or OBX emulation ( harder to find than OBXa or OB8s ) if those stupid managers at Gibson-Discount would have released the rights of the brand...
Title: Next Vintage Emulations?
Post by: poropat on January 04, 2006, 09:31:59 am
Yes, in my collection my most mythic machines are
CS80 (recently), synthex, jupiter 8, Prophet VS rack, matrix12,
matrix 1000, solina, VP330 roland.
Il like the chorus of synthex too, and it's a machine with
few curtis inside, so, easy to repair.
Hope a day we could see Mario Maggi again, for a new analog synth
or to endorse the Synthex-V, if a day arturia decide to produce. :wink:
Title: Next Vintage Emulations?
Post by: omissis on January 04, 2006, 09:46:10 am
Wow!
Surely Mario would be happy to sponsor a virtual Synthex, and royalties can contribute to his new project ( a new analog polysynth which is at the prototype stage by now )
Just a thing: can you compare my VP choir like patch for CS80V with that of the original VP330? I know it lacks the 3dimensional chorus but anyway an opinion is welcome! If you want reply me through mail  :wink: !
Title: Next Vintage Emulations?
Post by: poropat on January 04, 2006, 11:20:47 am
ok, i'll try it, and I'll send an MP3 to you.
About Mario Maggi, are there any site where we could know
about his actual work?
Title: Next Vintage Emulations?
Post by: omissis on January 04, 2006, 12:32:51 pm
Actually not , there aren't sites regarding the work of Mario Maggi , he is a very private and shy person ! Anyway I think that Enrico Cosimi ( a famous musical journalist here in Italy ) can give you anecdotes about him.

Look for this forum
http://www.freeforumzone.com/viewForum.aspx?f=34044

It is his magazine's online forum and although it's italian speaking, questions in english are always welcome

Look also for

http://www.bluesynths.com

Theo Bloderer's page with lots of synths' stories , including the Synthex!
Title: Next Vintage Emulations?
Post by: poropat on January 04, 2006, 02:20:49 pm
thanks a lot, very good links. :D
Title: Next Vintage Emulations?
Post by: Armando Rojas on January 09, 2006, 05:50:19 pm
Regarding the Pro-53, I would love to vent about it a bit. I HATE that inteface! Such tiny type, some of it in "shadows" - what were they thinking? Interface design is IMPORTANT. And it is one of the things Arturia excels at.

So I very much support an Arturia P5 emulation. Is it an important synth? Yes. More important than a CS80? Definitely yes. The CS80 was a boutique instrument for the very wealthy; the P5 was a "people's" instrument heard on far more recordings, producing a sound pallette that is instantly recognizable.

I suppose if you are trying to do something absolutely "new" and are not interested in retro sounds, it may seem pointless to have another one - but I for one would like to hear one GOOD one and forget any that came before.

Armando.
Title: Next Vintage Emulations?
Post by: Armando Rojas on January 09, 2006, 05:51:47 pm
Incidentally, I think posting images from the magazine in KVR must constitute copyright violation. If it doesn't, perhaps someone would be good enough to post some here?

Armando.
Title: Next Vintage Emulations?
Post by: poropat on January 31, 2006, 10:20:19 pm
Quote from: "Armando Rojas"

So I very much support an Arturia P5 emulation. Is it an important synth? Yes. More important than a CS80? Definitely yes. The CS80 was a boutique instrument for the very wealthy; the P5 was a "people's" instrument heard on far more recordings, producing a sound pallette that is instantly recognizable.


I support P5 and VS emulation too, at the same time prophet V is an emulation or P5 and P-VS which are very good vintage synths and here it even could merge the two.
But about the CS80 was a boutique instrument for the very wealthy,
I say no.
A Steinway Grand model D, is a very expensive instrument, much more
than a CS80, but what we only could say, it's a very good instrument
to play very good music. In my opinion CS80 could be compared
in the same way.
Title: Next Vintage Emulations?
Post by: omissis on January 31, 2006, 10:46:16 pm
Quote from: "Armando Rojas"

So I very much support an Arturia P5 emulation. Is it an important synth? Yes. More important than a CS80? Definitely yes. The CS80 was a boutique instrument for the very wealthy; the P5 was a "people's" instrument heard on far more recordings, producing a sound pallette that is instantly recognizable.


Oh, well , if you make it only a matter of economics and through this you trace a difference between instruments for rich people and for "poor" people ( if you think that 3000$ were few money at the times)  rather than comparing the inner qualities of the instrument you will surely be glad to play forever on your virtual Mgs, miniMgs, arps and prophets without velocity and aftertouch because a people's instrument like the Prophet didn't support it....it's like you're trying to compare a Trabant to a Ferrari and tell the Trabant is better just because it was more affordable....come on !
Title: Next Vintage Emulations?
Post by: poropat on January 31, 2006, 11:47:52 pm
I would like Yamaha could continue to produce ferrari :mrgreen:
Title: Next Vintage Emulations?
Post by: omissis on February 01, 2006, 12:06:03 am
Also it seems that SCI was more boutique than Yamaha, even if there were more Prophets produced than CS80s :wink:  :wink:  :wink:
Title: Next Vintage Emulations?
Post by: Armando Rojas on February 07, 2006, 11:31:32 pm
I have come around to this way of thinking - even if it WAS too expensive for a lot of working musicians, who cares? The beauty is, now anyone can have one (or something very much like one) because of Arturia's excellent work.

I am wondering - does anyone know of any use of the instrument in funk? I am really only familiar through Vangelis's work...

Armando.

Quote
I support P5 and VS emulation too, at the same time prophet V is an emulation or P5 and P-VS which are very good vintage synths and here it even could merge the two.
But about the CS80 was a boutique instrument for the very wealthy,
I say no.
A Steinway Grand model D, is a very expensive instrument, much more
than a CS80, but what we only could say, it's a very good instrument
to play very good music. In my opinion CS80 could be compared
in the same way.
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Title: Next Vintage Emulations?
Post by: omissis on February 08, 2006, 10:44:37 am
TOTO: "Rosanna" ( I love it !)

Arnold & Propellerheads: track "On Her Majesty's Secret Service"

Quincy Jones "The Dude" ( Stevie wonder plays CS80 )

Mr.Mister "Broken Wings"

Industry "State of the nation"

Actually I remember these, maybe I can recall stgh more in the next days!
M
Title: Next Vintage Emulations?
Post by: poropat on February 08, 2006, 03:29:40 pm
Eddie Jobson: (alaska)

Hans Zimmer.
Title: Next Vintage Emulations?
Post by: omissis on February 08, 2006, 10:19:33 pm
Of course, Georges, I think Armando was looking for some usage of the CS80 into funky music, anyway I suggest also "With a little luck" (Wings), "Dune" ( K.Schulze, you will recognize the CS from the first second , hihihi ) but we're not into funky any more.
Title: Next Vintage Emulations?
Post by: poropat on February 09, 2006, 12:00:01 am
:lol:

Yes you are right, I was surprised you could forget Eddie Jobson,
but I was out of subjet.
Title: Next Vintage Emulations?
Post by: Armando Rojas on February 09, 2006, 05:05:05 pm
Quote from: "omissis"
Of course, Georges, I think Armando was looking for some usage of the CS80 into funky music, anyway I suggest also "With a little luck" (Wings), "Dune" ( K.Schulze, you will recognize the CS from the first second , hihihi ) but we're not into funky any more.


You are right, I read in synthmuseum.com and so forth that Herbie Hancock and Stevie Wonder used it but do not know on what recordings. Still interesting to get a list of others who played it.

Armando.
Title: Next Vintage Emulations?
Post by: omissis on February 09, 2006, 05:18:41 pm
H.Hancock "Mr.Hands" , "Monster"  

 Webster Lewis' "8 for the 80s"

Cristal Method...er I don't know where exactly but they did use it
Title: Next Vintage Emulations?
Post by: Armando Rojas on February 10, 2006, 12:05:07 am
My God... I had both of these on LP back in the day, and had completely forgotten about them. Thanks, I think I'll pick them up again!

Armando.

Quote from: "omissis"
H.Hancock "Mr.Hands" , "Monster"  

 
Title: Next Vintage Emulations?
Post by: marinedalek on February 16, 2006, 01:45:40 am
Roland Jupiter 4 - Not a popular choice, I know but I have my reasons  :D
EMS VCS3 (putney) - Classic 70s leads and basses, plus a great sound effect creator.
Roland SVC-350 vocoder - Again, I have my reasons...

Ok, what the hell - my first and last choices are purely because they were in the BBC Radiophonic Workshop in 1980 when Peter Howell was creating his version of the Doctor Who theme.
Title: Next Vintage Emulations?
Post by: Sweep on February 16, 2006, 03:15:05 am
This is off topic, but I'll post it here rather than contacting you directly because other people may also be interested.

You sound like someone who may be able to answer this question.

I recall Delia Derbyshire's original Dr Who theme having a much warmer and subtler oscillator timbre than any of the later versions.

I don't have a copy of the original theme, but I've tried synthesising the timbre as I recall it, and I've never quite got it. I'm presuming it's an old valve oscillator, probably well warmed up by the time it was committed to tape. The synth oscillators and test-tone oscillators I've tried aren't the right sound, and processing still can't quite get it. I've even tried adding sine waves at different frequences to get the effect of a basic tone plus harmonics, but that didn't quite do it either.

There are a lot of test tone oscillators about, but I suspect I could buy dozens, maybe hundreds before finding one with that tone.

Do you know if there's a sample recording somewhere of the basic oscillator sound Delia used? Or if you have any information on oscillators that have that particular richness, I'd be interested.

- thanks
Title: Next Vintage Emulations?
Post by: omissis on February 16, 2006, 07:43:22 pm
Dr.Who's "scream"

Quoting from http://tv.cream.org/lookin/drwho/moments/

"The downwards scream was created in similar fashion. The source sound is a downwards-sliding hard-edged tone produced using an audio oscillator. Again, this was fed into the pitch shifter with very short delay, a downwards shift, and heavy feedback. Aliasing distortion within the shifter added to the overall effect. The result was mixed with the rising echoes to give the sound we are all familiar with."

By the way, the bass-line of the 1980 version was a YAMAHA CS-80 reworked through tape manipulation

By the way , do you remember Springsteen's "Born in USA" ?? The lead synth is again a YAMAHA CS-80
Title: Next Vintage Emulations?
Post by: marinedalek on February 16, 2006, 10:52:23 pm
Sweep => Contrary to popular belief, the original theme wasn't completely oscillators - the bassline was a sample of a rubber band/string being plucked. What I think you're referring to however is the melody. I do indeed have the complete set of samples, they're not perfect by any stretch of the imagination, having come from an 8-bit, 22050Khz source, but they provide an extremely good starting point.

An important thing to remember also is that there are two melody lines - the "swooping" sine and a high organ part played on an early analogue electric organ that the radiophonic workshop mutilated somewhat. Also, judging by the interview given on the "Masters of Sound" documentary on the Beginning DVD boxset, the swooping melody was recorded at half speed - understandable considering the precision needed to manipulate the oscillator in the correct way.

Here is an mp3 of the samples strung together. I've put marker points indicating where one sample stops and the next starts.

http://marinedalek.co.uk/melody.mp3

And just for omissis, here's a sample of my recreation of Peter Howell's 1980s bassline, done on the CS-80v.

http://marinedalek.co.uk/basslinedemo.mp3
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Title: Next Vintage Emulations?
Post by: Sweep on February 16, 2006, 10:56:40 pm
Omissis, many thanks for that. :) That's brilliant.

The pitch shifter and feedback have taken me into just the right sonic area. I'm using a Mg Voyager as the sound source, and bringing the Mg filter into the equation adds something extra as well.

I realised a while ago that pitch shifting is an under-used technique, but I hadn't thought of trying it in this context. With the feedback carefully mixed in and the levels set just right, it's magic.

This actually has a lot of potential, using different oscillators and filters.
Title: Next Vintage Emulations?
Post by: Sweep on February 16, 2006, 11:09:42 pm
Marinedalek - yes, that's the bit I meant, not the scream, though using the pitch shifter on a sine wave oscillator with feedback and a filter has opened up the upper registers of the sound into the etherial textures I was after, as per my previous post. It can be done delicately as well as drastically in scream territory.

I hadn't realised there was a modified organ in there as well (though I knew about the method used for the basslines - I think she had a piece of wood with two nails supporting the band, in true Radiophonic style?).

I think I'll do a series of experiments with this, using the pitch shifter/feedback and also using the speed change you mentioned - as well as sampling and changing speed and other parameters that way. I'll also download the MP3 - many thanks for that.

My aim with this has been to get that certain sound texture and use it in new ways, rather than to replicate the original theme, and the information I've been given has already made that possible.
Title: Next Vintage Emulations?
Post by: omissis on February 17, 2006, 11:09:09 am
Quote from: "marinedalek"
Sweep =>
And just for omissis, here's a sample of my recreation of Peter Howell's 1980s bassline, done on the CS-80v.

http://marinedalek.co.uk/basslinedemo.mp3
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That's simply great of you, Sweep!!
Title: Next Vintage Emulations?
Post by: Sweep on February 17, 2006, 02:27:39 pm
Thanks, but that was the other guy, Marinedalek.
Title: Next Vintage Emulations?
Post by: omissis on February 18, 2006, 01:14:52 pm
Ooooopssss :oops:  :oops:  :oops:  :oops:
 
I route the compliments to MDLK  :lol:  :lol:  :wink:
Title: Next Vintage Emulations?
Post by: Boulotaur2024 on March 15, 2006, 09:28:50 pm
You guys might be surprized of my choice, but I'm gonna give another vote to Roland vp-330 (http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif)

Also SynthEx would be great, reading through the thread and articles posted here made me want to play it.
Title: Next Vintage Emulations?
Post by: omissis on March 16, 2006, 12:03:31 pm
I'll give a chance to Vp-330 but , my guess, it could be more realistic to switch to the ELKA Synthex ( see related thread ) :wink:
Title: Next Vintage Emulations?
Post by: Elhardt on March 21, 2006, 02:57:29 am
The last thing that Arturia needs encouragement to do is another synth emulation.  What they first need to do is finish the ones they currectly have.  Fixing bugs and problems is where they should be spending their time.  Better a small product line of 100% complete and working products than a larger product line of 98% working products.

-Elhardt
Title: Next Vintage Emulations?
Post by: omissis on March 21, 2006, 12:25:53 pm
Quote from: "Elhardt"
The last thing that Arturia needs encouragement to do is another synth emulation.  What they first need to do is finish the ones they currectly have.  Fixing bugs and problems is where they should be spending their time.  Better a small product line of 100% complete and working products than a larger product line of 98% working products.

-Elhardt


Full agree, Elhardt.

I detected almost 50 entries since December among bug reports , tips for getting a better emulation and (few)Features' requests , and this just for the CS-80V only, I can't nothing else but thank all the people in the CS80V Group who contributed to make this a better instrument, I wish at least........ok I'm in love with the Yamaha CS80 but, you know, love makes the world go round..... :wink:  :wink:  :wink:  :wink:
Title: Next Vintage Emulations?
Post by: andre on November 02, 2006, 12:34:47 am
Oberheim Matrix-12
Oberheim SEM 4,8, ?-voice
Roland Jupiter 8
Title: Next Vintage Emulations?
Post by: wintersun on November 04, 2006, 11:15:00 am
Jupiter 8 everytime.
Ive owned just about all the various different behemoths of the 70's and 80's and nothing touches the sound of the jupiter 8, not even the synthex, because the synthex has a very CEM sounding taint to it.
The discrete circuitry inside the jupiter 8's make a very distinctive sound indeed, and sound more like a polyphonic modular than the cconventional polysynths of the time like the prophet 5, oberheim ob8 etc..

but as has already been mentioned, i'd rather arturia got their current product line in check before anything else is developed.
Title: Next Vintage Emulations?
Post by: omissis on November 04, 2006, 09:16:31 pm
Well, you just should fix all the issues which involved Roland against anybody trying to get any emulation of their synths...a Synthex should be a lot more affordable in terms of licensing
Title: Next Vintage Emulations?
Post by: poropat on November 06, 2006, 09:57:40 pm
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because the synthex has a very CEM sounding taint to it.


Synthex only has CEM3320. It's a LP filter, and the others filter modes
are made with discrete circuitry around the CEM3320.
I don't feel it has CEM sounding. It's sound is really original.
I have a synthex and a jupiter 8, these two machines have their original
character. :D

About problems of licensing, for a synthexV it would be much more easy.
Title: Next Vintage Emulations?
Post by: wintersun on November 07, 2006, 12:20:02 pm
trouble is, the synthex is not a widely known synth, not even now.
selling a software plugin has surely got something to do with notoriety of the original instrument, fact is i'm not sure enough people would be bothered about the synthex, because most people have not heard of them or had the pleasure of playing one.
all this said it's an amazing synthesizer, of which i have owned, i still didnt think it sounded as nice as my early jupiter 8 though, even though its sonically capable of loads more.
Title: Next Vintage Emulations?
Post by: poropat on November 08, 2006, 09:01:44 pm
Yes, people know more about a Jupiter than about a synthex.
But, people who listened Jean-Michel Jarre, could know about Synthex.
Title: Next Vintage Emulations?
Post by: omissis on November 15, 2006, 12:09:50 am
Well, people relying their knowledge of  Synthex synth only on Jarre's music don't know much about music themselves, just let me mention Keith Emerson and Stevie Wonder as just two of the top notch Synthex' users.....
Title: Next Vintage Emulations?
Post by: poropat on November 15, 2006, 09:08:17 am
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Well, people relying their knowledge of Synthex synth only on Jarre's music don't know much about music themselves


No, they know more about jarre work than about emerson or stevie wonder work. The sound of synthex is more obvious in jarre work. :roll:
Title: Next Vintage Emulations?
Post by: bg on November 15, 2006, 02:28:47 pm
Quote from: "omissis"
Well, people relying their knowledge of  Synthex synth only on Jarre's music don't know much about music themselves, just let me mention Keith Emerson and Stevie Wonder as just two of the top notch Synthex' users.....


I didn't know that.  Can you point me to an example of Emerson playing Synthex?

-bart
Title: Next Vintage Emulations?
Post by: omissis on November 16, 2006, 10:06:12 am
I'm not much into ELP music , anyway KE used the Synthex in the 80s to replace the brass sound of his GX1 ( which was the starting point that led me to know that) for "Fanfare for the common man" in the ELP live acts, I'll be able to give you some more infos later... :wink:

find out more here

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/dec99/articles/elka.htm?print=yes