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Hardware Sequencers => BeatStep Pro => Beatstep Pro - General Discussions => Topic started by: Digitali on July 19, 2015, 10:28:31 pm
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So using the drum gate cv connections, I was getting double notes on both pads and stepped sequences. I was able to solve the issue on the steps by reducing the gate down below 15 on the sequenced drum track for each drum part.
But I don't see any option to reduce gate for pad hits. If I press the pad I get a sound on the down press and again on the release and sometimes multiple on the down press as it picks up velocity info? If I press and hold the pad it doesn't stay lit as with the seq1/2 parts which work fine over midi, but rather I get a strobe effect. You can see the issue in the first part of the vide below.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqNo9Q6W_ws
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HI, do you have latestest firmware . if so have you tried clearing all patterns before using as there could be corrupted patterns. also have you tried lowering the gate in the drum s section .
Looking at the video it seems the gate is triggering on and off pulses so you'r getting double hits .This maybe due to too high voltage for the gate out into your equipment. and you adjust this in your equipment.
regards
terrym
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I did up to the latest firmware.
As I mentioned, I was originally getting the double hits on both stepped drum tracks and keypad hits as you see in the video. I did figure out that bringing the gate down to under 15 using the knobs helped the sequenced track. Meaning when you hit play and have notes in. But when you are using pad mode only, ie not pressed play, I still get the double hits, and I see nowhere to change the gate for this kind of playing? I did see a post about taking the thing apart and changing the defulat cvs? I am not going to do that.
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Hi just found out it may be the nord
have a search on the net
https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=91580&start=10&sid=d6fc74841fab6f4eda4be414ab565e25
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Did you try changing the input threshold and input sensitivity on the ND2?
I also have the ND2 and i will get the BSP this week sometime.. Hopefully this can be solved. I did have problem with double triggers on the ND2 (from one of my modules), i could never solve it, had to make another module send the triggers.
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Hi just found out it may be the nord
have a search on the net
https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=91580&start=10&sid=d6fc74841fab6f4eda4be414ab565e25
Thanks for the link. Link says to try changing to evenvelope sends. I am going to make sure my ND2 has the latest firmware first and see if that fixes anything. Then I will try sending evenlopes instead. That would be an annoying solution but may be better than having to change the gate from 50 to 5 for every knob.
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Did you try changing the input threshold and input sensitivity on the ND2?
I also have the ND2 and i will get the BSP this week sometime.. Hopefully this can be solved. I did have problem with double triggers on the ND2 (from one of my modules), i could never solve it, had to make another module send the triggers.
So I updated the the ND2 to OS 3.0 and still in the same boat. I tried every combination of threshold and input sensitivity. I tried all the trigger types. Nothing is getting the double trigger to drop to single.
Here is what makes things odd. The BSP is triggering my other synths just fine. So this leads me to the ND2 being the problem. But triggering the ND2 from Cubase via an original Beatstep as the interface, everything is fine.
I think the problem has to do with how the ND2 handles pad technology because the pads on my ALesis midi controller do not trigger sounds properly either. They trigger very soft even if i tap hard. I have a theory that the solution would be to change the trigger type to the Nord Pad hand option. But that is not available without the Nord pad itself.
I havent tried the solution posted in the other forum to change the sends to envelope sends because I cant figure out how to do that in the midi control center. If anyone would tell me how to do that I will test it out.
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well i just go my BSP and the ND2 does not double trigger unless i hit the sides of the pads (and only if i'm a bit too slow, the sides are more sensitive it seems). If i hit the pads in the middle there's never any doubling (unless very slow to remove my finger).
I can reproduce what you are doing in the video though - holding down a pad, and then letting go, that will double trigger (since it's gate outs and not single triggers perhaps, i mean a gate would stay open until you remove your finger, unlike a trigger). Imo it's not a problem since that's not really how you would use it anyways to record drums, at least i don't see why you would record drums in that way. If i hit the pads fast (drumming on them) then no problem, with my ND2 at least.
These are my first ~10 mins impressions. I'll update if i notice any odd behavior other than double triggers when hitting the sides and if holding down the pads for a moment.
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well i just go my BSP and the ND2 does not double trigger unless i hit the sides of the pads (and only if i'm a bit too slow, the sides are more sensitive it seems). If i hit the pads in the middle there's never any doubling (unless very slow to remove my finger).
I can reproduce what you are doing in the video though - holding down a pad, and then letting go, that will double trigger (since it's gate outs and not single triggers perhaps, i mean a gate would stay open until you remove your finger, unlike a trigger). Imo it's not a problem since that's not really how you would use it anyways to record drums, at least i don't see why you would record drums in that way. If i hit the pads fast (drumming on them) then no problem, with my ND2 at least.
These are my first ~10 mins impressions. I'll update if i notice any odd behavior other than double triggers when hitting the sides and if holding down the pads for a moment.
How about when step sequenced? Are you getting double hits at setting 50? I have to bring down every knob to under 20 which is an annoyance.
If I hit the pads very fast then no problem as you pointed out. But that leaves little room for error.
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Nope, didn't touch the gate setting. Sequencing works great with no double triggers.
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I came across a patch that would basically always double trigger, really annoying. It was easily fixed though, when i changed trigger type to "t.Ac3" it went away, so try that.. just remember to save afterwards.
Most of my own patches has that setting so i guess that would be the reason why my ND2 seems less sensitive to double triggering..
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New owner of the Nord Drum 2 getting double notes. Here is my "status"
- Without changing anything I was getting double notes
- I changed the trigger modus to t.Ac3 and the double notes "on play" were gone, but I´m still getting two notes when I press a PAD, one on press and one on release
- If I change all the gates on the BSP to 10 or less I get this "double" press/release note not so often, but it still happens....
Another question, I´am triggering it with six cables from 6,5 Mono to 3,5 Stereo. Maybe the Stereo on the 3,5 could generate problems on the triggering?
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I'm using 1/8" trs to 1/4" tr with no issues on any gear I trig with them, but I don't have a Nord Drum 2 (was condering getting one though, so this is of interest to me).
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Hey guys!
We had other customers with the same issue and apparently the Nord drum is designed to receive "trigger" signals (very short pulse) and not gate like sent by the BSP.
So it is normal that they may not be fully compatible; however I did not know about the t.Ac3 option so thank you very much, will keep it in mind for other people coming at us with Nord drum 2. :)
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The only solution which I found is to go MIDI.... but it loses some of the CV dynamics and speed :-\
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Known problem with the Nord Drum as for some reason they designed it to react to pulse start of rise and end of rise so you need extremely short triggers. At the end of the day it is designed primarily for drum pads and not triggers.
2 Solutions I know if you own modular rigs (sorry guys if you don't):
1. Run all your triggers through envelopes. Expensive but does the job
2. Buy a cheap gate to trigger module http://ladik.ladik.eu/?page_id=559
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Hello all:
I was researching this very topic, and ran across this blog post:
Arturia Beatstep Pro and Nord Drum 2 (http://www.emotionfoundry.com/synths/tips/beatstep-pro-and-nord-drum-2/)
This looks like a 98% solution to getting the Arturia Beatstep Pro and Nord Drum 2 to work together when connecting the Beatstep's drum gate to the ND2's trigger.
No other gear (envelope generators, gate-to-trigger, etc.) is required to get this to work.
This blog post essentially echos what user bemushroomed is saying.
Please try this out, and see what results you get.
-Ken
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Thanks kismert, will try it out :)
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Hi!
On the Nord Drum forum someone posted this link: http://www.emotionfoundry.com/synths/tips/beatstep-pro-and-nord-drum-2/
I think MIDI should be quick enough for most purposes, the advantage of MIDI is that you can make use of velocity, the gate outputs of the BSP are on/off
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MIDI has awful latency in comparison to CV.. i measured it recently and i had like 15ms in comparison to CV triggers, imo MIDI is for the most part not useable if you want tight timing (very important for drums). you can make use of velocity with triggers but its more of a hassle than midi..
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Hiya,
dunno if this is still relevant/alive here. Had a similar problem with my Syncussion and solved it by attenuating the gate. Passive solution (a spare 47k pot) works fine. A bit of attenuations softens the end spike of the gate enough not to retrigger when the pad is released. Maybe works for the ND too?
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Hiya,
dunno if this is still relevant/alive here. Had a similar problem with my Syncussion and solved it by attenuating the gate. Passive solution (a spare 47k pot) works fine. A bit of attenuations softens the end spike of the gate enough not to retrigger when the pad is released. Maybe works for the ND too?
this is an amazing idea; will try out asap!
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Indeed the bsp sends click from gate outputs from both pressing the pad and releasing it. Pretty strange((( Some of my modular drums react on this and double trigger. The only way to avoid it is to shorten the gate to less than 15-10. I really think it shouldn't be like that. Pease Arturia do something with that...
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Hiya,
dunno if this is still relevant/alive here. Had a similar problem with my Syncussion and solved it by attenuating the gate. Passive solution (a spare 47k pot) works fine. A bit of attenuations softens the end spike of the gate enough not to retrigger when the pad is released. Maybe works for the ND too?
I was getting double triggers on my Vermona Kick Lancet but then used a simple headphones volume control and it stopped. I then found that using the audio trigger in on the Kick Lancet works also, (the box has three different trigger inputs).