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Hardware Sequencers => BeatStep => Topic started by: djmental on May 17, 2015, 06:41:14 am
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Hi, I'm considering buying the Beatstep mainly for the knob controllers,
I've also considered Novation LaunchControl which also has 16 knobs ( 8 pads )
but I really like the step sequencer of the Beatstep.
The thing is that LaunchControl will let me create 8 user presets for the 16 knobs
letting me control 16 x 8 = 128 parameters.
I don't know if I can have this level of control with the Beatstep.
Are the 16 presets in Controller mode precisely for the use Im
describing: assigning 16 different uses for each knob and pad.
I want to be able to use it with Live so that I can change the use of
the 16 knobs to the following uses fairly quickly:'
A. to control Volume and Pan of the first 8 tracks
B. control Send A and Send B for the first 8 tracks
C. control Send C and Send D for the first 8 tracks
D. control Live devices parameters
Is this possible ? or is there a way to do this ?
I like the product more than the LaunchControl but if knobs can only be assigned
in just one way it wont be of much use to me.
Thanks in advance for any help you can give me on this.
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Beatstep can hold 16 templates in memory. So you can map the 16 knobs in 16 different control "layers". To change the active template you press RECALL plus the corresponding pad number of the template. This is all set up in MIDI Control Center. That's a free download, so I suggest you grab it and poke around with the Beatstep portion to see the mapping features. An of course, the manual is also helpful and FREE.
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Ok, thanks for your detailed and prompt response.
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Cannot believe that you, in good conscious, would pick Beatstep as a knob controller for Live.
Seems, djmental would like to know, in Live, how does the Beatstep compare to Novation LaunchControl and which would you buy.
Well I gotta ask you jsmirk, as a knob controller which of these two products would you choose to use and which one would be most effective?
Which one would you spend your money on?
As a pad controller it is fantastic, and I use it through various octaves in midi note and switched control mode to play instruments and activate clips and buttons.
But.
Unless you have a secret or are double jointed, wouldn't you agree the knobs are just too sensitive to function effectively to control Volume, Sends and Pan of the tracks in Live.
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Unless you have a secret or are double jointed, wouldn't you agree the knobs are just too sensitive to function effectively to control Volume, Sends and Pan of the tracks in Live.
I think jsmirk only tried to answer in the affirmative my main question: if I would have 16 preset of knobs and pads controls.
I know that the LaunchControl is a dedicated knob controller specially designed for Live.
I thought that, on the contrary to what you say, knobs where NOT too sensitive and required many turns to get the a full effect like filter, for example.
I thinkt that te firmware lets you control the knob sensitivy, right ?
What I like about the BeatStep, more than the LaunchControl, is that it has a sequencer built in. it is bigger than the LaunchControl,
the pads are velocity sensitive as opposed to the LaunchControl, it has much better build quality.
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I'm not a Live user, but based on my experience with beatstep, I would definitely choose Launchpad for that purpose. I would recommend beatstep if you think you might like to sequence instruments(bass lines, stabs, melodies) or if you would like a nice pad controller to play in MIDI notes for a drum track (perhaps working with a Live drum rack). But for controlling Live's scenes and clips and all that, it seems to me that Launchpad is a superior product. I base this loosely on the fact that so many producers and performers have been spotted with Live and a Launchpad, but I've yet to spot one with a beatstep. Two different products, two different strengths.
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I'm not a Live user, ..But for controlling Live's scenes and clips and all that, it seems to me that Launchpad is a superior product.
I dont need the pads on the BeatStep, I just need the knobs. I already have a Launchkey 49 which has 16 pads to launch clips. It also has 8 faders and 8 knobs, but I need more knobs to control Send A (Reverb), Send B (Delay) for those 8 tracks, also to control devices parameters, etc.
I think that the 16 presets of the Beatstep will let me change from one use to the other fairly quickly.
and it is a basic step sequencer.
The LaunchCONTROL only has knobs and 8 non velocity sensitive pads, and it will definetely will let me control Live
but I find it overpriced for what it does.
Right now whats keeping me from buying the BeatStep is what Allnight said: that the knobs dont respond well.
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Right now whats keeping me from buying the BeatStep is what Allnight said: that the knobs dont respond well.
This is true. Maybe check out Livid Instruments or the new Akai MidiMix. I'm often surprised there isn't much of any midi controller on the market (that I'm aware of) that is simply 8 or 16 knobs.
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Right now whats keeping me from buying the BeatStep is what Allnight said: that the knobs dont respond well.
This is true. Maybe check out Livid Instruments or the new Akai MidiMix. I'm often surprised there isn't much of any midi controller on the market (that I'm aware of) that is simply 8 or 16 knobs.
I've had no issues with mine. Knobs are fully responsive. Depending on what you are controlling, the knobs can be tricky. For example controlling a clicked know on the Mini V, you need to keep turning to click through each waveform for example. Controlling normal knobs are fine. Also there are many ways to have them react, either linear, circular or relative circular. This makes the knobs react in a different way but depends on which suits you best.
In Linear mode (Default) the knobs can appear to jump. I prefer circular or relative circular this gives them a more natural feel and the knobs don't jump when changing 1 preset to another
Cheers, Stuart
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I've had no issues with mine. Knobs are fully responsive. Depending on what you are controlling, the knobs can be tricky. ... Also there are many ways to have them react, either linear, circular or relative circular. This makes the knobs react in a different way but depends on which suits you best.
Cheers, Stuart
Hi, Stuart.
I just want to use it in Live to be control Send A, Send B, Pan, and some devices.
I just want to be able to get the full effect by turning knobs 360 degrees (1 turn of the knob).
I dont want to have to turn the knob more than once, neither to reach the full effect with half a turn.
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Hi,
Yeah I see what you mean. I do full turns with mine, more like 270° than 360° it just means you have to judge it right to get a full turn. But to be fair, they are all like that now, you probably won't find a controller with bigger knobs.
There's the launchpad i suppose but you said you wanted something with just knobs, not pads too.
Take a look at this, it's nearly 3 times more expensive than a beatstep but does fit the bill
http://lividinstruments.com/products/ds1/
Cheer, Stuart
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There's the launchpad i suppose but you said you wanted something with just knobs, not pads too.
What I meant is that I don't need more pads, just more knobs. If it comes with pads its ok.
Beatstep need the pads for the sequencer and I like its sequencer.
If you say that the knobs of the beatstep respond well I will consider buying it.
All of you forget about the Launchpad, the product comparable to the Beatstep is the LaunchControl
(same price or less).
http://global.novationmusic.com/launch/launch-control#
Doesn't have a sequencer though.
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You're comparing Apples and Oranges. Work out what you really want it for then see what's about, these are totally different products.
The sequencer is the proper USP for the beatstep, the knobs you can get on any midi control unit. It also has CV which you can't get on any other midi controller at that price bracket
Cheers, Stuart
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Looking at your first post your primary concern is Live, to get the most out of your software i'd probably plump for one of the live 'compatible' boxes
Cheers, Stuart
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You're comparing Apples and Oranges. Work out what you really want it for then see what's about, these are totally different products.
The sequencer is the proper USP for the beatstep, the knobs you can get on any midi control unit.
I described in detail what I want. I just dont want to spend more than $100 in just knobs and pads. Both the LaunchCONTROL and the Beatstep fit the bill. And both are capable of assigning knobs to more than one function. Beatstep seems better built and knobs are bigger and more separate. It also has a basic Step Sequencer which is a huge plus.
I dont know why you say its like comparing apples and oranges because Arturia has promoted this product both as a sequencer and as a controller.
What would stop me from buying it is the knob functionality. Apparently youre of the few that consider that the Beatstep has a good knob response as a midi controller. Everybody else seems to find something wrong with it.
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My experience with the knobs is that they can be jumpy. This can make sequencing a bit frustrating at times. The knobs have a soft "click" as you turn them so that, in theory, you can adjust the note values by one semitone at a time. However, this movement is not 100% reliable - sometimes I rotate the knob by one "click" and the note jumps by 2 or 3 semitones. I've found that I have to watch my MIDI data in Logic to be sure I'm dialing in what I intended, unless I'm merely looking for a happy accident.
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My experience with the knobs is that they can be jumpy. This can make sequencing a bit frustrating at times. ...- sometimes I rotate the knob by one "click" and the note jumps by 2 or 3 semitones.
Yeah, that's exactly what I've read in other forums. But I didn't know that it also affected sequencer mode.
Most people seem happy with the knobs in sequencer mode, its as a controller for plugins that they find it unusable.
I suppose you have the fast setting for knob acceleration, right ? Apparently the Slow (Off) setting is unusable.
Have you tried the medium setting ?
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I dont know why you say its like comparing apples and oranges because Arturia has promoted this product both as a sequencer and as a controller.
Regarding the comparison between the beatstep and one of the launch pad/control devices. One has faders and a few small buttons, a midi mixer if you will (they aren't big enough to be called pads) the other is specifically designed as a scene controller for live, again buttons not exactly pad sized but you could I suppose get away with using it on such a way. Beatstep has decent sized pads and is a CV/Midi sequencer. They are 3 different products and thus cannot really be compared, hence apples & Oranges :)
The Novation sample control on the other is almost identical to the beatstep albeit without the sequencer.
youre of the few that consider that the Beatstep has a good knob response as a midi controller. Everybody else seems to find something wrong with it.
You mentioned one guy was unhappy with the control but that's hardly everybody. The best thing you can do it to go and use them, go to your local music shop who has them in stock and plug them in and get hands on with them, you'll soon find out which one's you get on with and moreover, the ones you don't get on with.
I wouldn't advise anyone to just go on user feedback alone, nor to just get on google and get something delivered based on a few reviews.
Hope you get something you are happy with
Cheers, Stuart
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My experience with the knobs is that they can be jumpy.
Have you tried using different control terms, circular Vs Linear etc. But also this will happen with all midi controllers to a certain extent. If you move all the knobs so that they have focus on the app, i.e. no further differences are detecting by the know; do they jump?
There is always going to be a jump when opening up a new preset or application as knobs aren't always in the right place, this is the inherent problem with midi control such as this.
Cheers, Stuart
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However, this movement is not 100% reliable - sometimes I rotate the knob by one "click" and the note jumps by 2 or 3 semitones. I've found that I have to watch my MIDI data in Logic to be sure I'm dialing in what I intended, unless I'm merely looking for a happy accident.
When you first touch the knob it will give you the sound that the current midi CC is set to, even if turned. This is because older gear CC numbers can only be set up by ear.
I do find that it jumps 1 or 2 semitones it's not 100% reliable like that, but once i find the sound I want, I leave it. It's not like you need to move those during a performance. That's what the presets are for.
Cheers, Stuart
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However, this movement is not 100% reliable - sometimes I rotate the knob by one "click" and the note jumps by 2 or 3 semitones. I've found that I have to watch my MIDI data in Logic to be sure I'm dialing in what I intended, unless I'm merely looking for a happy accident.
When you first touch the knob it will give you the sound that the current midi CC is set to, even if turned. This is because older gear CC numbers can only be set up by ear.
I do find that it jumps 1 or 2 semitones it's not 100% reliable like that, but once i find the sound I want, I leave it. It's not like you need to move those during a performance. That's what the presets are for.
Cheers, Stuart
Yes I'm aware the first click is the current value.
So, ya it doesn't behave as is expected. Of course once you "find" the sound you want the sequence runs, yay. But I would argue that there should be no jumpy hit and miss "finding" to deal with. Often I'm counting the semitones as I move a note to a fifth of the previous, but it just skips over it and I have to look in my DAW to see what the note actually is. Slows down the workflow because it's unpredictable. Unfortunately I don't have a trained ear for recognizing exact notes.
Beatstep certainly works, and it's a nice piece of kit. I use it literally all the time. But i can't say it's a "joy" - mostly because of this one issue. Hopefully, for the people in line for the Pro,there is some improvement to the encoders.
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But I would argue that there should be no jumpy hit and miss "finding" to deal with.
In a perfect world you would be bang on correct.
Cheers, Stuart
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Regarding the comparison between the beatstep and one of the launch pad/control devices. One has faders and a few small buttons, a midi mixer if you will (they aren't big enough to be called pads) the other is specifically designed as a scene controller for live, again buttons not exactly pad sized but you could I suppose get away with using it on such a way. Beatstep has decent sized pads and is a CV/Midi sequencer. They are 3 different products and thus cannot really be compared, hence apples & Oranges :)
The Novation sample control on the other is almost identical to the beatstep albeit without the sequencer.
I think youre very confused about Novation products. I mentioned it once but I'll repeat it here: Im just comparing the Beatstep to the LaunchCONTROL, NOT the LaunchPAD, not the LaunchCONTROL XL.
Both the BeatStep and the LaunchCONTROL cost $99. Both are promoted as Midi controllers (and as a sequencer in the case of the Beatstep).
Look at all Arturia videos of the Beatstep and youll see that they consider the BeatStep a sequencer AND a midi controller, hence what I say they are not "apples and oranges".
Adding to this fact, not few people in this same forum and in Amazon have noticed both products and have considered buying the Beatstep because of the sequencer and better build quality. So I'm not alone in noticing the Beatstep midi controller capabilities.
You mentioned one guy was unhappy with the control but that's hardly everybody. The best thing you can do it to go and use them, go to your local music shop who has them in stock and plug them in and get hands on with them, you'll soon find out which one's you get on with and moreover, the ones you don't get on with.
Maybe then I just noticed one person complaining about the knob control. Since then I've found many, TWO in this very same post.
And you can look for posts on the subject to see that people are not yet satisfied with Arturia firmware solution for the knobs.
Although there have been suggested solutions by forum users since Arturia appears to be deaf on the issue.
To Arturia it appears that the problem is "solved".
I cant go to my local music shop in my country cause they don't have neither of these products. Almost every time I have to pay considerable shipping to get these kind of products. That's why I ask so much.
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To moderators:
Did I say something wrong ?
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I dunno, man, if you made you decision or not, I will tell to all the others anyway: I didn't notice your thoughts about the thing, that all limited knobs (such as I have in Akai MPK25) in their own way remember the last parameter position, so, if you change your midi channel and try to change value of another parameter it jumps from the previously value and makes sound become an awful mass of annoying jumps. Arturia beatstep was a real salvation for me in the way that it doesn't have physical or digital memory (just need to settle parameter on Relative# in Midi Control Center) von Live presets and now I'm really happy to create my Live sets, cuz, btw pads are also very helpful with that thing.
p.s. Knobs sensitivity is not a problem, it's just the matter of time when you train your fingers to move wise and fast enough (e.g. it's enough of one quick turn to go from 0 to 127, only a matter of mastery)
thnx for your attention, I know it would be useful for many of you, fellas, good luck ;^)
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I dunno, man, if you made you decision or not, I will tell to all the others anyway: I didn't notice your thoughts about the thing, that all limited knobs (such as I have in Akai MPK25) in their own way remember the last parameter position, so, if you change your midi channel and try to change value of another parameter it jumps from the previously value and makes sound become an awful mass of annoying jumps. Arturia beatstep was a real salvation for me in the way that it doesn't have physical or digital memory (just need to settle parameter on Relative# in Midi Control Center) von Live presets and now I'm really happy to create my Live sets, cuz, btw pads are also very helpful with that thing.
p.s. Knobs sensitivity is not a problem, it's just the matter of time when you train your fingers to move wise and fast enough (e.g. it's enough of one quick turn to go from 0 to 127, only a matter of mastery)
thnx for your attention, I know it would be useful for many of you, fellas, good luck ;^)
I can definitely see that the knob skipping issue is not a significant issue for live performance where the endless relative encoder is preferred - jumping 2 values out of 128 when making a tiny parameter adjustment probably isn't noticeable. I think Beatstep would be quite good for that use case. The knob issue is really only a bitch when making precise note changes in sequencer mode.
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The knob issue is really only a bitch when making precise note changes in sequencer mode.
And I think this is only regarding VI's either in a DAW or standalone. When controlling anything hardware either Midi or CV, I can say that the knobs are very precise, each semitone can accurately be set without any jumping.
Cheers, Stuart
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I dunno, man, if you made you decision or not,
Thank you for your info.
I ordered it yesterday and Im supposed to get it Saturday. It will be my first Arturia
hardware and I will definitely report on my experience with it.
The shipping was super cheap and I can return it if I don't like it.
What I definitely didn't like is that a moderator erased this post.
I noticed after I made the purchase and was going to announce it here.
But I'm glad they acknowledged the bad decision and reestablished this post
after I made a post about it.
I don't get this "jumping" issue with the knobs. At least in Live I have not had
that issue with the LaunchKey knobs.
( LaunchKEY knobs are not endless enconders as the BeatStep's )
I have Live parameters in "pickup" mode
so the knobs don't do anything until they pick the parameter at its current value
and in the case of the LaunchKEY they do it smoothly and on 1 to 1 ratio so the
parameter rotation mimics exactly the knob rotation.
I hope Arturia continues to support this controller/sequencer.
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The knob issue is really only a bitch when making precise note changes in sequencer mode.
And I think this is only regarding VI's either in a DAW or standalone. When controlling anything hardware either Midi or CV, I can say that the knobs are very precise, each semitone can accurately be set without any jumping.
Cheers, Stuart
Perhaps you got lucky and your model has flawless action in the encoders. 8) I'm using my Beatstep directly with a Bass Station II, no DAW. Move the knob 1 precise click, note value goes up 2 semitones unpredictably and can happen on any knob. It's a hardware flaw, but again, not a problem in controller mode as far as I would be concerned there.
Thank you for your info.
I ordered it yesterday and Im supposed to get it Saturday. It will be my first Arturia
hardware and I will definitely report on my experience with it.
The shipping was super cheap and I can return it if I don't like it.
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I don't get this "jumping" issue with the knobs. At least in Live I have not had
that issue with the LaunchKey knobs.
( LaunchKEY knobs are not endless enconders as the BeatStep's )
I have Live parameters in "pickup" mode
so the knobs don't do anything until they pick the parameter at its current value
and in the case of the LaunchKEY they do it smoothly and on 1 to 1 ratio so the
parameter rotation mimics exactly the knob rotation.
As noted, this potential issue is specific to the knob action on some Beatstep units and is only noticeable when in sequencer mode, not controller mode. If your primary purpose is to use it as a controller, you will be ok. However, I would be curious to know how accurate the knobs are in sequencer mode for you. Maybe I got a poorly assembled unit (only the lower right quadrant of Pad 1 works on mine)
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jmirk, thank you.
And yes, I will use it mainly as a controller
but I definetely will use the sequencer.
I plan to record loop clips of sequences
made with the beatstep.
I use Max for Live Monosequencer but although it is highly versatile its a PITA to choose notes on it and I dont know any vst step sequencer that lets you choose notes apart from Reason's Thor (And the launchPAD apps, but I dont like using pads to sequence).
btw if you use reason there is an excellent tutorial to transform the minilab which only has 8 pads, into a step sequencer with Thor. It is in spanish but you'll get the idea for the beatstep.
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My experience with the knobs is that they can be jumpy. This can make sequencing a bit frustrating at times. The knobs have a soft "click" as you turn them so that, in theory, you can adjust the note values by one semitone at a time. However, this movement is not 100% reliable - sometimes I rotate the knob by one "click" and the note jumps by 2 or 3 semitones. I've found that I have to watch my MIDI data in Logic to be sure I'm dialing in what I intended, unless I'm merely looking for a happy accident.
I just received my Beatstep. Great construction quality, pads, knobs, everything.
I have just used it to step sequence some plugins and it works great (as advertised)
BUT, as jsmirk said, knob movement is not 100% reliable when adjusting note values.
At first I thought that there was a scale selected, but no, it was skipping some semitones in chromatic scale.
If I selected major scale it could skip 2 scale notes AND MORE !
Sometimes it even played two notes when changing notes.
What I noticed is that to not skip notes I had to be very careful when rotating the knob.
You have to make the click turn very softly.
I haven't updated the firmware yet.
I assigned knob 1 to a filter and I had to turn the knob at least 3 times to get the full effect.
That doesn't seem too good if I want to do a smooth filter sweep.
Ok, I just checked knob 1 in ableton live and I had to turn at least 3 times to pickup the
control and then change the parameter. That doesn't feel normal.
I haven't detected any jumping of parameters in ableton
just the skipping of notes in sequencer mode.
UPDATE: The Beatstep gets out of sync in Ableton when I begin to change from 1/16 to 1/4 or 1/8.
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Thank you for your info.
I don't get this "jumping" issue with the knobs.
I have Live parameters in "pickup" mode
so the knobs don't do anything until they pick the parameter at its current value
and in the case of the LaunchKEY they do it smoothly and on 1 to 1 ratio so the
parameter rotation mimics exactly the knob rotation.
You're welcome)
Jumping is not a big problem if you have a good inspiration and nerves made of steel, but the main thing I like about acceleration of Beatstep is that with one fast turn knob parameter goes from 0 to 127 and it is very useful.
Pickup mode is a good choice, though you need to adjust knobs at the every time you launch your set (but it's ok for pro), BUT! when you're gonna be adjusting Beatstep encoders for Live knobs mention the way you turn them, cuz for my bad I had an experience of setting Mode parameter to Relative (lin. signed Bit 2) or even (lin. BinOffset) after turning it clockwise (that made me stumbled for the first time), AND if you turn it counterclockwise you'll set Mode parameter to Relative(signed Bit) that is just right to use (don't forget to set Relative# paramter in Midi Control Center).
I have this little box for about 1 week and now, after adjusting all the settings I'm really inspired and will gladly use it for my Live DJ project synchronizing it with Live instruments in sequencer mode and especially for my band where I do all the electrosound with synths and vocals, adjusting all the effects I wanna use (such as reverb, delay, etc.) where it goes nice along with Akai MPK25 and its absolute encoders (maybe I will change it for Minilab sometime cuz of knobs, really).
I wish you good luck in any of your projects and that's really gr8 that I was helpful in this case, thank you for attention)
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Jumping is not a big problem if you have a good inspiration and nerves made of steel, but the main thing I like about acceleration of Beatstep is that with one fast turn knob parameter goes from 0 to 127 and it is very useful.
I'm experimenting the "jumping" issue with the knobs when using them to modify devices parameters.
Its very annoying.
As I said, I don't have this issue with the knobs on my LaunchKEY so it is not true as Stuart says that "every controller does that".
I already updated the firmware. I think that fast acceleration mode has something to do with it.
Anyway, I will take your advice and begin experimenting with Live's midi setup and Beatstep MMC to see which works best.
Thanks again.
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...so it is not true as Stuart says that "every controller does that".
Don't misquote me. When first touching the encoders when you first open up a software instrument, the knob will jump. This is because you have moved it since operating it last, or the position of your encoder compared to the software, is different. This is inherent with every midi controller and software devices, and frankly obvious, no? :) Once you have control over a certain parameter, it shouldn't then jump around.
Close the software then open up a different instrument, do a move to an encoder. If your encoders has changed position, they will jump.
Basically, the software needs to catch up with the hardware controlling it, hence giving the impression that it's jumps.
This is what I was referring to.
If you're unit doesn't behave as expected, return it. If you're not happy with it, return it.
Cheers, Stuart
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...so it is not true as Stuart says that "every controller does that".
Don't misquote me. When first touching the encoders when you first open up a software instrument, the knob will jump. This is because you have moved it since operating it last, or the position of your encoder compared to the software, is different. This is inherent with every midi controller and software devices, and frankly obvious, no? :) Once you have control over a certain parameter, it shouldn't then jump around.
Close the software then open up a different instrument, do a move to an encoder. If your encoders has changed position, they will jump.
Basically, the software needs to catch up with the hardware controlling it, hence giving the impression that it's jumps.
This is what I was referring to.
If you're unit doesn't behave as expected, return it. If you're not happy with it, return it.
Cheers, Stuart
There is no "giving the impression that it jumps", it is jumping and I can hear the abrupt change in parameter values.
And it is not only when "first touching the encoders". It occurs whenever I change from knobs presets.
As I said, I have not experienced that behavior with my LaunchKEYs knobs.
Of course, I will return it if Im not completely satisfied with it. But I will give it a chance and experiment with all
options first. It is my first Arturia product.
BTW, If youre not happy with what customers write don't erase their threads. ;)
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I'm not in this, or any forum to throw mud around, I have far better things to do. I was trying to lend a hand.
I think that fundamentally you don't understand what i'm saying.
I'm describing the fundamental limitations of most (I can't say that i've tried them all) Midi controllers. Specifically when controlling computer instruments.
Mess around with circular and linear knob control, map specific controls and CC values via the MCC, try changing the knob speed, don't always rely on the 'Learn' function. Many things to try to get it working.
BTW, If youre not happy with what customers write don't erase their threads
I'm a user like you, I do not work for Arturia nor do I moderate the forum or have any control over what is printed here. I am a Spark moderator, nothing else.
Cheers, Stuart
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I'm not in this, or any forum to throw mud around, I have far better things to do. I was trying to lend a hand.
BTW, If youre not happy with what customers write don't erase their threads
I'm a user like you, I do not work for Arturia nor do I moderate the forum or have any control over what is printed here. I am a Spark moderator, nothing else.
Cheers, Stuart
If youre implying Im throwing mud around just check the other posts by other people.
Theyre saying the same thing but maybe not so vocal as I.
Apparently you don't find anything wrong with the Beatstep. And that I find very surprising.
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Just to set the record straight I did a comparison between the knobs on the Beatstep and the knobs on the LaunchKey.
Stuart was right. The knobs on the LaunchKEY did jump the values when changing to other presets.
I never noticed that before. In fact I think the jumping on the BeatStep is less noticeable, which could be due
to the knobs requiring many turns to change values.
Build quality of the Beatstep is far better than the LaunchKEY knobs and pads in every aspect.
Although I should say that the LaunchKey pads and knobs do the job very well.
I have been able to assign successfully knobs and pads in the Beatstep to control Live.
For now, my main issue with the Beatstep is the knobs response. I have updated the firmware and put it on fast but
they still don't respond as a normal knob, meaning 1 to 1 ratio. When I turn form 9 to 3, I want an analogous
movement in the virtual knob. The Launchkey does that, even the only knob on my M Audio Keystation does that.
I ll see if I use the Beatstep to control knobs that don't need a fast response and use the Launchkey knobs to control the others.
Im quite happy with the sequencer. But it is unacceptable that the sequencer gets out of sync when changing steps 1/4, 1/8/ 1/16, 1/32.
Will Arturia fix this ?
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Just to set the record straight I did a comparison between the knobs on the Beatstep and the knobs on the LaunchKey.
Stuart was right. The knobs on the LaunchKEY did jump the values when changing to other presets.
I never noticed that before. In fact I think the jumping on the BeatStep is less noticeable, which could be due
to the knobs requiring many turns to change values.
Cool, we're now on the same page :)
Yes, that's what I was trying to explain. Inherently, this is a limitation of a midi instrument when controlled with a midi controller. On a console or say an original Minimoog, you turn the EQ or one of the oscillators to a place you like and you can leave it there for days, it should sound the same and not 'jump' the sound when you next go to turn that knob. Midi instruments don't have this specific control, you may use that same controller for 10 different things, it's just how it goes with this stuff.
Im quite happy with the sequencer. But it is unacceptable that the sequencer gets out of sync when changing steps 1/4, 1/8/ 1/16, 1/32.
I can't say that i've noticed that, I'll check and get back to you.
Cheers, Stuart