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Harware Legacy versions => Origin => General Discussion on Origin => Topic started by: kidharpoon on April 04, 2011, 12:28:05 pm
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Hey all,
Phillipe from Arturia just posted this info about 1.4 update on a tech related thread. Thought I'd repost it here:
"We're still working on the specifications. Last decisions are to postpone the software editor and instead to focus on other aspects:
1- an enhanced multi mode that will enable to define the actions of the controllers and macros on any slots of the multi and not only on the slot having the focus. You'll be able for instance to choose the sequences played by slots at the multi level, and also to select the slots for which the sequencer is active or not. An example of the usage could be to change the sequencer patterns on slot1 while modulating slots 2 and 3 with the joystick. All the settings will be saved within the multi and won't change programs presets.
2- an enhanced FX management in a multi. You'll be able to set and configure your effects at the multi level. The FX organisation will consist of 2 inserts per slots and 4 global FX with send and return settings. Here again settings will be saved within the multi and won't change programs presets.
3- Introduction of the "template lite" concept that has been discussed on this forum here:
http://www.arturia.com/evolution/smf/index.php?topic=4325.0
4- A better preset management with Origin Connection including the possibility to overwrite any presets.
5- New modules: Envelope Follower, 5 points Envelope...
From the start of the actual development to the release, count 4 to 5 months. Currently we're working on a bug-fix release which should be available soon.
Of course all this is preliminary and subject to change...."
I for one, would love it if they could somehow get customisable GUI in the Template Lite feature...
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Multi will be very powerful if all is true.
"template lite" ?, I can't imagine how they implement this.
I think it will be a very good update with needed things, but i can imagine this:
1.4 update = 5 moths + common delay. =6 months. -->Octover 2011?
1.5 CS80 development time = 5 months -->March 2012?
1.6 intermediate update = 5 months -->Agoust 2012?
1.7 Arp 2600 = 5 months -->January 2013?
1.8 intermediate update = 5 moths -->June 2013?
1.9 Mg modular = 5 moths -->November 2013?
2.0 intermediate update = 5 moths -->April 2014?
2.1 Prophet 5 = 5 moths -->September 2014?
2.2 bugfix update = 5 moths -->Febrary 2015?
2.2 intermediate update for vst implementation = 5 moths -->July 2015?
2.5 VST Editor = 12 moths or more --> Janary 2017?
2.6 bugfix update = 5 moths -->June 2017?
In my oppinion is that the complete feature set will be ready in 2017, and more probably before this happens they leave the development so no we will never see any VST plugin, prophet, etc.. what do you think?
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I think I hope not! ;D
The Template Lite concept is very intriguing. I'd love to see some news on this in a few weeks, such as... what the heck it will be. I'm also hoping that the
5- New modules: Envelope Follower, 5 points Envelope...
means that other modules are being worked on as well. Such as... say, Prophet 5 OSCs and Filters. Or dare I dream, OBERHEIM OSCs and Filters!
And how about some "template" patches like I made?
Since this is in the discussion phase, it sounds like nothing is definite, but I hope that 1.4 has some nice surprises for us.
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@ Jeruro:
Unfortunately I really think the same. They owe us a lot to hold their promises. And latest comments about developments and allocating ressources doesn't give me much hope.
I don't think, there will ever be a VST-Integration. This promis just disappeared from the official sources.
However, I would like to see more modules, and FX.
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No, Phillipe says....
"Last decisions are to postpone the software editor and instead to focus on other aspects"
I'm guessing this is only for 1.4
The software editor will be good for marketing, so I imagine it will happen.
My personal feeling is that new modules and template developments would be much more useful though. I don't really ever find myself wishing I had a plug-in editor. I constantly wish I could make custom templates, or have more module options.
Thats just me, but yes, I agree that the updates are horribly slow in development.
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I for one am not that interested in VST plug in, I would however really welcome prophet VCO, filter and oberheim. That's what's unique about origin for me the ability to construct a synth that has not been created based on authenticity of core modules.
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I for one am not that interested in VST plug in, I would however really welcome prophet VCO, filter and oberheim. That's what's unique about origin for me the ability to construct a synth that has not been created based on authenticity of core modules.
I agree. I am actually not using a computer in the studio at all. However, my impression was that the Prophet modules where very close to the origins ones. Nevertheless, I am one of these people who did not enjoy the CEM filter too much, so I am fine with what is available. I doubt that slight nuances of filter changes will result in drastically new sounds neither.
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Weelllll........... yes, sort of.
Components built with discreet, high quality transistors, resistors and capacitors will tend to sound warmer and bigger than those made with circuit chips. And the Origin modules do have a character reminiscent to those Curtis CEM-built Prophets, Oberheims and MemoryMgs. I've created a bunch of template patches based on a number of vintage synths, available in the patch sharing section below this one, and I've noticed that the posts requesting Arturia's promised templates has died down considerably. A number of them are based on those Curtis chip-built synths, and use the Origin modules exclusively. And from high quality YouTube vid demos of the originals, my "templates" have come pretty close to these.
Having said that though, I really want to see Arturia make those Prophet and even Oberheim modules available to us because as a synthesist, I can never have enough toys to play with. You should see my bedroom studio. ;)
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Agreed. The more they lean the Origin towards a Reaktor-like direction the better.
With the Korg Oasys, and Jupiter 80 coming out, I think Origin and its slow updates is in danger of falling behind in a a race which it was leading.
A bunch of new modules (not even vintage replicas) and more emphasis on the ability to build your own templates and customise them would do this I think.
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IMO Origin has no competitor as a hardware synth with those Templates (MiniM and Jupiter) and with so many modules, so at least for those thinking about Roland's Jupiter80 I think Origin is a great option.
But: I can see that markets are giving us new options for making quite similar things; Korg (Kronos) has their own Korg emulations in it, it has presumably very powerful effects section, touchscreen etc. And you may get one (61keys) with around 2000euros (and not to mention that it has ALL the other things as well: Grand pianos, Epianos, Organs etc.).
And then there's all those things happening with machines like iPad; I can think that we are not far away from having chance to get many classic emulations to those tablet machines (which you can now integrate into Akai-controller for example).
So Origin has still its value and it's still quite far ahead to its competitors but it cannot stay like this without developing it . Otherways it looses this competion sooner or later. It needs more modules and graphic templates. To make Origin more attractive to market key is still those pre-made templates (and then modules too): I think quite many of us (myself included) bought this thing with a hope to get more than just MiniMg (at least we got JP8!) but also CS-80 and Prophet etc. IMO the fascinating thing is still to have a machine which gives you all these with close enough sound to originals, enough knobs to tweak and also nice graphical GUI. Of course chance to mix those modules gives another dimension which is not there with software emulations (at the moment). I hope Arturia is aware of this.
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Arturia, I hope you're taking note of the moods expressed in this thread. I think I'm the lone voice of a man who's very satisfied with The O as it is. Everyone else is kind of, "Yeah... but the Origin could really use (this or that new thing) to keep me really interested."
People are very visually oriented. This is why us guys want our cars to resemble some exotic speed machine, and why the opposite sexes are drawn to the "hotties" of the other gender (some are drawn to hotties of the same gender, but that's another story).
So it's no surprise that most of us want some sort of visual goody to go with the instruments we're making, and I will admit that the rather bland panel with generic knobs in that display aren't all that fantastic looking. The images of the MiniMg and Jupiter-8 are much more exciting, and give us a sense that we have a Mg or Jupiter of our own. When it takes a small eternity for these new templates to get released, people feel let down and neglected, taken for granted or even taken advantage of as customers, and I know this is completely wrongheaded, but they feel like their instruments are increasingly smaller, older and less powerful.
And if you know anything about marketing and customer relations, every letter and post represents thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands of similar minded people who bought or are thinking of buying your product. So this thread reflects kind of a widely held grouchy mood among your customer base.
I know this makes your tough job tougher. I know roughly what it takes to produce new toys and tools for this module. You can't just scribble down a few dozen lines of assembler code. It has to sound right, sound good. Then it has to be made efficient, fit in well with the available environment of the Origin, communicate properly, work right, not crash, and still sound good. And not take a year to come out. ;)
Among whatever road maps your team are scribbling out right now, I really think that module wise, you need to see about adding in those Prophet V OSCs and Filters, or creating some new Origin modules, perhaps along the lines of Doepfer's fantastic hardware modules. If you can manage to license Tom Oberheim's SEM, OB or Matrix synthesizers, hopefully all three, I still think it would be an incredible idea to bring them out on Origin first, before you offer an Oberheim V synth library. If you can manage to create some sort of panel GUI for us to play with, that will satisfy a surprising number of people.
Template-wise, I think you should put priority to bringing out the CS-80 next. From what I hear, this is regarded by most keyboard players as the greatest performance synth of all time.
You should also canvas your hardcore userbase, and those in the team since you guys have lived with Origin the longest, to see what changes and improvements would be good to include in updates 1.4 and 1.5. I have a few.
On the Mg oscillator, add hard sync, and full pulse width and mod control.
On the ARP OSC, add hard sync.
On the Origin OSC, add soft sync.
On the Mg and Origin Filters - or perhaps all filters - add an 18db 3 Pole response.
On the hardware module control knobs, enable each module to have a switch that would have the module directly linked to the front panel controls. For instance, on the Envelope modules, add a setting to link them to the hardware envelope knobs. It would be nice to program patches that would always respond to the knobs for filter control, Output ENV control, or both. Or all envelopes. Likewise, on the OSC modules, a switch that would link selected modules to the OSC knobs on the Origin panel. Filters to the filter controls.
Make it so the eight soft knobs can have multiple parameters assigned to one knob. This would be less essential if the console controls could be linked to the selected modules.
Well, that's not a bad wishlist for now. ;) I'm hopeful that some of these can find their way into the Origin at some point.
Well... one more. At some point, I'd love to see an Origin II keyboard, with double the power or more of the Origin, a nicely endowed control panel, and at least a five octave velocity and poly-pressure keyboard. That would be an incredible answer to the Solaris. Although I would love to have a Solaris... ;)
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I am also satisfied with my Origin but still I feel that a module which costs over 2000 euros should be little more than what it is at the moment. Key thing is to make people feel that this thing is evolving. Nice thing is to have at least new soundbanks once in a while.
At the moment I am using Clavia's products and Origin as my hardware rig. Before that I had some Rolands and Korgs. One of the best thing with Clavia is that they really give this feeling of taking care of old customers. Of course their toys are quite expensive but after that everything is freely downloadable (updates, editor softwares and sounds). And on the other hand this was my reason to finaly give up with Roland: they do practically nothing with their older products. They are too busy to develop new ("We design the Future" is their motto). Take V-piano for example. This quite revolutionary product came out around 2008 and what has happened: nothing special. It's like Origin, it has a very powerful engine inside which I think could run many different things, different emulations like E-pianos for example. But Roland has not developed it. Only thing they did was to give a new package to it (V-piano grand which is not for normal people....).
Besides those templates and modules I would like to have software editor. I can still imagine that editing with big monitor screen and with mouse would be effective and fast. My other reason is very practical. At my home my Origin is placed in a way that is not that easy to edit by hand.
And about visual orientation: It would be just enjoyable to see these templates in bigger screen. Arturia does not have to start from the zero. They already have MiniMg V and JP8 GUIs for their software emulations. ;)
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The Origin badly needs the software editor that was originally promised by Arturia. I find the Origin's screen fine for performance but too cramped and fiddly for advanced programming.
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I want the software/plug-in editor too! Even without audio support, full midi support should be ok, so that everything you do in a sequence involving origin is being save with the whole project! That's very important for me! A midi plug in version should be so difficult to do now
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I'd like to know how they come up with their list of priorities and features for a new update. All of the features listed in that update with the exception of the Template Lite aren't anything I ever recall seeing users here asking for.
What I have seen users asking for are new templates, new modules, VST editors. Or like this feature which we have been asking for ages now:
"Make it so the eight soft knobs can have multiple parameters assigned to one knob. This would be less essential if the console controls could be linked to the selected modules."
Once again this company shows it's inability to listen to it's customers, set priorities correctly, make best use of it's development resources, and really make this product shine, yet they wonder why it's not selling. And then they decide to release a drum machine product before really maturing the Origin platform. Does the industry or market really need another drum box? What, to compete against NI Maschine? yet another bad move in opinion...
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Holo, i think you are a bit rude. Origin is a very good synth right now. Don't forget it's the first arturia hardware and you knew it before purchasing, right? For a first one it's an amazing product with some defaults, right, but everytime an update is launched it comes better. I know it's quite long but i don't see another company that acts better on the market.
I see the spark as an " easy " hardware machine by arturia ( easy but good sounds, i tested it) and maybe i'm wrong but i think arturia needs to launch this kind of product to get financial ressources to continue origin development, which i want, don't you?
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I'd like to know how they come up with their list of priorities and features for a new update. All of the features listed in that update with the exception of the Template Lite aren't anything I ever recall seeing users here asking for.
Some people has requested that the effects in a multi be controlled at the multi level and not at the slot level (rcmusic was one of these). When we analysed this requirement we thought that it is not only a matter of FX control but more largely a matter of slot control within the multi. That is the reason for the new multi features. So you cannot say that it is unrelated to some users requests.
Note that one of the new multi feature is precisely the ability to bind up to 4 parameters to any of the 8 screen encoders. This is what you are requesting? Is'nt it?
Lot of people have been requested new modules. This is planned. Again this is related to users requests.
Lot of people have also requested enhancements regarding the preset management using the application "Origin Connection". Particularly the fact that 1) we don't erase the user presets during an update and 2) that we allow users to overwrite factory presets. Both are planned for next 1.4 release.
And finally, the "template lite" concept has been discussed at large on this forum. This concept will be introduced into the 1.4 release.
All in all, you have to admit that we've been listening to the users.
Of course we have to make choice because we obviously cannot implement every single idea that may be posted here.
For those of you who are disappointed that we postponed the software editor, let me tell you that it has not been sent to the trash, instead it is postponed. It means that we may (we may not we will) decide later to revive this idea. The reason for this postpone is that it would have taken too much time and resource in the current period to manage this goal (a plugin editor with midi capability) in a 4/5 month delay.
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Thanks for the update on the update, Phillippe! This all sounds outstanding. Keep up the good work, Arturians!
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Yep, very nice! effects control at the multi level is a must have if you want to use serious combination. New presets management is very important too! Very good
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Am I the only one missing the (more or less precise) release date of this 1.4 update?
At the "milestones" there's only mention about 1.5. which is planned for Q3 2011.
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Last quarter of 2011 it seems for 1.4
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Philippe, thanks for the Update . At least we know we will have a 1.4 update...
Regarding new modules and Template mini concept, can Arturia Add the missing Prophet 5 OSC, Filter and ENV modules? And a template mini of a Prophet 5 would be nice.
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Holo, i think you are a bit rude. Origin is a very good synth right now. Don't forget it's the first arturia hardware and you knew it before purchasing, right?
I never said it wasn't a good synth did I? You really think I would spend $2k if I didn't it was? I think it's an amazing synth and I wouldn't have purchased it if I didn't think it was. My comments were specifically at how the speed of future development of this product and the priorities being set IN MY OPINION don't make sense. Rude or not, it's an opinion and only an opinion. So don't get your panties in a wad amigo. Sometimes hard opinions are what help companies take a hard look at things they can improve...companies don't grow and become better by living in a glass house celebrating as if everything is fine and dandy, you improve by listening to the customers, whether it's nice, rude, or not.
I know it's quite long but i don't see another company that acts better on the market.
Not sure what other companies you've used, but in my 20 years of owning, using, and testing synths, there have CLEARLY been way better examples of management of the continued life and development of a given product.
I see the spark as an " easy " hardware machine by arturia ( easy but good sounds, i tested it) and maybe i'm wrong but i think arturia needs to launch this kind of product to get financial ressources to continue origin development, which i want, don't you?
that's my point, it shouldn't take another product to fund the CONTINUED lifecycle of an existing product if the existing product is priced properly, being developed properly, and marketed properly. because if it was, then it should be selling well enough to support the CONTINUED (not NEW, but CONTINUED) development of itself.
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Note that one of the new multi feature is precisely the ability to bind up to 4 parameters to any of the 8 screen encoders. This is what you are requesting? Is'nt it?
possibly! :) but it wasn't one of the features listed at the beginning of this post, was it? ;)
will this ability only be available in a multi or also for a program? I think it's needed for both. At least me personally I desire it for programs as I really don't use the Origin as a multi-timbral synth and no real use for any of the multi related features. My focus use for Origin is a performance synth in the studio for that one "great" vintage sound that I need in whatever project I may be working on. I may use other sounds, but I'll just layer them into my DAW as needed.
Lot of people have been requested new modules. This is planned. Again this is related to users requests.
can you provide us a full list of what these new modules we'll be? Most if the requests I've seen here have been around oscillator and filter modules, not control oriented modules (e.g. envelopes, etc.)
I look forward to the new updates!
cheers.
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Holo, i think you are a bit rude. Origin is a very good synth right now. Don't forget it's the first arturia hardware and you knew it before purchasing, right?
I never said it wasn't a good synth did I? You really think I would spend $2k if I didn't it was? I think it's an amazing synth and I wouldn't have purchased it if I didn't think it was. My comments were specifically at how the speed of future development of this product and the priorities being set IN MY OPINION don't make sense. Rude or not, it's an opinion and only an opinion. So don't get your panties in a wad amigo. Sometimes hard opinions are what help companies take a hard look at things they can improve...companies don't grow and become better by living in a glass house celebrating as if everything is fine and dandy, you improve by listening to the customers, whether it's nice, rude, or not.
I know it's quite long but i don't see another company that acts better on the market.
Not sure what other companies you've used, but in my 20 years of owning, using, and testing synths, there have CLEARLY been way better examples of management of the continued life and development of a given product.
I see the spark as an " easy " hardware machine by arturia ( easy but good sounds, i tested it) and maybe i'm wrong but i think arturia needs to launch this kind of product to get financial ressources to continue origin development, which i want, don't you?
that's my point, it shouldn't take another product to fund the CONTINUED lifecycle of an existing product if the existing product is priced properly, being developed properly, and marketed properly. because if it was, then it should be selling well enough to support the CONTINUED (not NEW, but CONTINUED) development of itself.
Ok you did not say it was not a good synth, at least a positive thing in your post on previous page. If i was argueing like you i would say that i never wrote that you said it wasn't a good synth. I just said you were a bit rude . (point) then continue with another sentence......
You should watch some of your remarks on me , ok?
If you think people like you make companies better at the end, you are wrong, believe it or not. Of course you can have your opinion ( who said you can not, holo argueing copyright). Just FYI it's been 25 years i use synths ( beat you! Wowwwwwwww) from all the brands, i have used tons of differents keys and other hardware, some were good, other not, at the end NO company is perfect, no company acts better than another, all are always too long on update, all wil not put your wishes in their hardware, that's how is the market and you know why? Because you can not satisfy everyone, there always be complainers, what ever you do. When i read you on the previous page i really ask myself why don't run a music company since you have all the keys! Thinking like you do, we wpuld have only 2 drumboxes and 3 synths on the market....... And you would complain on this :-)
Anyway, seems that arturia listen since they will implements a lot a user asking complements to origin in 1.4
Discussion closed
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well, unfortunately someone did got their panties in a wad! lol
I have worked for several music companies over the years and have been responsible for having helped a number of well known products develop into what they are today both in the instrument and recording product fields. again, all of this is my opinion and my opinion only. like or it leave it.
ciao!
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Give me your name, the products your participated to create, i'll make a pleasure to find marketing, conception, features mistakes in them!
It seems like ypu are a guy that really like to attack people or company but does not admit people give you the change.
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lol, dude cmon really?
Nuendo / Cubase
Kurzweil K2500/K2600
NI products
UAD products
Euphonix products
have fun!
read my posts: THESE ARE MY OPINIONS. I'm not attacking anyone or any company. I am expressing my viewpoints on what I believe are directions that could have been made or done differently, that's all. AGAIN, IM EXPRESSING MY OPINION.
relax
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Wow amazing!
I owned cubase, kurzweil and ni products, some much things to say, no we know that you don't like arturia launching spark because your worked for NI ( i own maschine and several plugs, maschine is great) and that you are a bit nervous because arturia did not hire you like all this big companies, what is really a shame since we would have a perfect origin.
Seriously holo, you can have your opinion, but other people can have their own, you are not an opinion leader. And all this just because i told ypu you were A BIT rude after you said: Once again this company shows it's inability to listen to it's customers, set priorities correctly, make best use of it's development resources, and really make this product shine, yet they wonder why it's not selling
I leave you with your big head..... And just to finish none of the companies you worked EvER launch a new product before take the precedent to maturity....you are right.....oh what were you doing? Packaging ( there is no stupid jobs)
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dude, every response you have takes my post further and further out of context.
go ahead, please, add more....
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ok, since I've apparently hurt someone's feelings here, I'll re-state my message in a more "positive" manner, so that we can all move forward and get along.
"It would be great to see Arturia possibly place higher priority on some of the other feature sets that have been recommended on this forum as well as place some priority in some of the advanced integration features that have been talked about in past posts.
With new products being released, it's difficult to know for sure if they will continue to keep the current Origin product developing forward in a timely manner that helps keep the product competitive and desired by the variety of different customers looking to use the product.
I love the Origin synth and enjoy using it in my studio and I hope to see that the product can continue to stay current and stay successful to see it mature even further."
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Few more lines about this (little off-topic) debate:
Personally I feel that Arturia is in fact doing much more than many bigger companies. Let's take Roland for example: they released their VERY expensive V-piano few years ago (was it 2009?) aand that time I was wondering to put my money to it or not. One thing which made me hesitate was my doubt that they won't develope this obvious prototypelevel thing. Fortunately I did not buy it cause I was quite right: Roland has given just a minor update (and also a new much much more expensive package, V-Piano Grand).
To say it clear, Origin isn't developing very fast but at least it is developing! Also, we got new soundbanks quite often (ok, they'rent all very useful or perfect but at least we got a feeling that something is happening). I just hope that things like MIPA award will make new interested people and keep those developers active.
I have also a feeling that attitudes about Origin are getting more positive in the internet in general. Magazines like Keyboard Mag are giving very good evaluations of it and it's kind of highest standard to measure many new products. I really appreciate my O and it still keeps my smiling every day...
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Note that one of the new multi feature is precisely the ability to bind up to 4 parameters to any of the 8 screen encoders. This is what you are requesting? Is'nt it?
possibly! :) but it wasn't one of the features listed at the beginning of this post, was it? ;)
Right, it wasn't listed but it is part of our internal spec.
will this ability only be available in a multi or also for a program? I think it's needed for both.
I'm not the guy who writes the specification but I 've made such a suggestion already and the answer was:
"this can be done by creating a multi containing a single slot"
Which is true because you'll be able to bind any screen encoder to 4 parameters in any of the 4 slots.
At least me personally I desire it for programs as I really don't use the Origin as a multi-timbral synth and no real use for any of the multi related features. My focus use for Origin is a performance synth in the studio for that one "great" vintage sound that I need in whatever project I may be working on. I may use other sounds, but I'll just layer them into my DAW as needed.
When the multi was designed it had a dual role. First the role of a "classic" multi-timbral set. And second the role of a sound design tool to create new sounds. What has been implemented until now is more an answer to the first use case. The planned extension of the multi should provide the sound designer ways to better intricate the layers so that the multi as a whole can be perceived as one sound.
Lot of people have been requested new modules. This is planned. Again this is related to users requests.
can you provide us a full list of what these new modules we'll be? Most if the requests I've seen here have been around oscillator and filter modules, not control oriented modules (e.g. envelopes, etc.)
The list is not yet fixed, Currently candidates are:
- envelope follower
- a more flexible enveloppe where the curve is set by moving starting points of the env segments
- prophet V osc and filters
- ....
If you think to a module that is not into this list feel free to post your wishes here.
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^ Well, firstly I do have some wishes for the Origin (wishlist posted here (http://www.arturia.com/evolution/smf/index.php?topic=3798.0) ;)). While I welcome any new modules, two important features for me are:
* Selectable aux output pair for each of the four Out modules => main, 1/2, 3/4, 5/6, 7/8. Enables quadraphonic and surround sounds, as well as more opportunities for external processing and mixing.
* Selectable outputs per part in the multi mixer - part, prog, 1/2, 3/4, 5/6, 7/8 => "part" maps the part number to an output pair (like it is now), "prog" uses the program setting, and the rest is for free assignments.
Secondly, I'll take the opportunity to thank Arturia for continuing the development of the Origin as well as their dialogue with the users. And I fully understand why Arturia need to launch new products now and then - "Stopping the world" and only working on the Origin is of course not realistic. I'd rather have the updates taking some time than seeing Arturia breaking their backs over the Origin.
DJ
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If you think to a module that is not into this list feel free to post your wishes here.
here is my top list at the moment modules I've posted before that I would love to see:
1. your ARP2600V reverb module as an FX module. (such a great reverb with that instant 70's spooky analog vibe)
2. addition of low/hi cutoff and resonance control for the delay FX module. useful for simulating tape echo effects and more creative feedback effects.
3. Oberheim SEM and/or Xpander oscillator and filter modules
and thanks for the updates/response on the other areas, 1.4 looks like it's heating up to be a great update.
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Phil,
Have you eventually discussed about the possibility to control effect parameters by midi message, and so by modulation sources?
Thanx
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Philippe, my list of module priorities :-*:
- 1. Prophet 5 OSC and Filter is a must.
- 2. SuperOSC (Based on Origin OSC) for trance designers:
- Selectable Number of Waveforms. (ej. 1-9 Saws, 1-9 Squares)
- Detune.
- Stereo spread.
- Sub oscillator.
- 2. UNISON PRO:
- 2 to 32 selectable voices.
- Detune.
- Stereo spread.
And please, improve the reverb algorithm.
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Still I'd like to see the day when software editor is available. This is probably my main priority.
There're many quite obvious reasons for that:
1. It's true that you can edit your presets quite fast (when you learn those knobs etc.) but imagine what could you do in 19 inch (or bigger) display and with mouse. Think about a typical drag-and-drop approach with those modules. It would be just much more effective way to experiment with all those things.
2. Templates: even MiniMg is quite complex to see and handle in Origins own screen. As I said earlier, Arturia already has their V-series visual templates which could maybe quite easily adapted to Origin software...?
3. For some of us (myself included) it has not been possible to place Origin in a way that it's physically comfortable to edit. At the moment my hands get very tired when I use it for more than 10 minutes. I'd really like to edit it home with my computer.
4. I'd also add presetmanager to this editor software. So you could easily save/load those presets to your computer or to Origin hardware.
5. And of course there's a question of integrating these things to DAWs...
To sum it, Origin is a modern thing in digital world so IMO it should integrate very well to computer environment. If it does not do that, it's not very practical tool in modern studio. Personally I am using Origin desktop 50% at my home studio and 50% at live gigs, but I think I am not typical (real or potential) Origin desktop user (I admit that O-keyboard is a bit different). If I am right, most of desktop users are more music producer-type guys than live players.
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Prophet osc & filter too
Arp or spring reverb, ( for completing Hammond clone)
Oberheim SEM.
Thanks in advance!
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Will the Template Lite feature allow you to customise the look in any way? or will they just be presets basically, placed in a new template section.
Pretty excited by the thought of this.
Ps. loving the argument between RCMusic and Holografique. Good work guys!
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Ps. loving the argument between RCMusic and Holografique. Good work guys!
eh, ya know, gotta keep things interesting around here...:p
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Ok, so here's three things I'd love to see:
1) I don't tend to use the sequencer much, and it would be good if I could assign the knobs to parts of my synths instead of them just sitting there idle. This is a no-brainer for me if its possible, as I find myself always running out of assignable controls.
I could have extra oscillators, filters or envelopes ready to control, and it would really speed up my workflow on the Origin.
Also if you could assign a control that is default for any preset, I'd find that really useful. For example, 9 times out of 10 I boost the TAE in the program page, but its fiddly, and would be good if one of the assignables was just set to this by default whenever I load a patch.
2) I totally agree with JacksonP that a better visualization of the screen when the Software Editor drops would be most welcome.
I love the Jupiter 8 Temp, but its so fiddly, and I imagine the CS-80 will be the same. Be good just to see an overview of everything on a big screen. I am simple and need help.
If we could even make graphics for our custom Templates that would really bring this baby home for me. That would be incredible!
3) Lastly, I'd love to see some more modern options. Don't get me wrong, I am all for Oberheim and Prophet V modules, but I feel like I've got enough vintage in the Origin at the moment to get on with. A few more Origin own modern/digital options would be a big step forward for me. At the moment I use Camel Audio Alchemy or my Waldorf Blofeld for this kind of sound, and occasionally the Prophet Wavetable Osc (which is exceptional).
An audio sampling module to open up the sample based synthesis options maybe? Would take over from Alchemy for me.
Maybe even a module that lets you draw your own Wave shapes? I've got an ipad app that does that and its really interesting.
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I am 100% sure that making software editor with maybe this drag-and-drop approach and nice visual templates (MiniM, JP8 and then CS-80) would be a great extra reason for putting over 2000 euros for this already fantastic synth.
And let's not forget that software editor (and computer integration in general) is not very rare thing: many Rolands (Gaia for example), Korgs (R3 for example) has it, even real analogs like DSI tetra has it. And those examples are much much lower price products. With Origin we are speaking about completely different league.
Origin has USB and it's obviously controllable via this USB. Arturia has all power and knowledge to make this kind of softwares. As said earlier, they even have their V-series to use in those visual templates.
So IMO it should not be that difficult. Now we aren't making anything inside the Origin, am I right?
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I would still like to see the following improvements to the Step Sequencer:
1. Midi Out so that one can record the Step Sequencer's Midi data into a DAW for further manipulation, as well as drive other equipment simultaneously.
2. Force to Scale (helps one constrain the number of note choices when making adjustments to the sequence live).
3. Additional directions and modes: e.g., Random order, Brownian mode (2/3 probability forward, 1/3 probability backward), or more advanced Pendulum modes a la Reason or genoQs Octopus (e.g., forward from first step to last, then backward from second last step to first without repeated last/first step when reversing direction).
4. Keyboard entry of individual steps.
#1 is essential, #2-4 are helpful but not absolutely necessary improvements. Right now, the Step Sequencer is fun to play but without Midi Out, it's of limited usefulness in a studio setup because there's no way to further manipulate, adjust, or correct the notes of a sequence in one's DAW after recording.
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Brownian mode sounds like a form of diahorrea
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A saturator effect would be nice :)
working on total integration and midi optimation vor record and automation.
Working on the Reverb effect for higher quality of that
add new templates :)
add some nice analog hardware compressor emulations, for example the LA-2A, 1176 LN or a native tape saturator plugin to work as effeckt dsp system,too in studios. :)