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General => Free Speech => Topic started by: gore on December 16, 2005, 12:14:18 pm
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WHAT WOULD YOU WANT FROM AUTURIA ... ?
I want :
1/ Multi effect composite from all effect built in Arturia VSTi , because effects at Arturia VSTi are strong usable ! It can be like "vintage effect bundle" or like "vintage effect modular system" , full of classic analog effect emulations ... with best Arturia sound ! WOW
2/ And fantastic can to be emulation of Oberheim Xpander ! WOW
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WHAT WOULD YOU WANT FROM AUTURIA ... ?
I want :
1/ Multi effect composite from all effect built in Arturia VSTi , because effects at Arturia VSTi are strong usable ! It can be like "vintage effect bundle" or like "vintage effect modular system" , full of classic analog effect emulations ... with best Arturia sound ! WOW
2/ And fantastic can to be emulation of Oberheim Xpander ! WOW
Unfortunately they seem have some problems with the Oberheim name.
Gibson and Viscount seem against.
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A perfect emulation of a Yamaha CS polyphonic, whatever
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WHAT WOULD YOU WANT FROM AUTURIA ... ?
I want :
1/ Multi effect composite from all effect built in Arturia VSTi , because effects at Arturia VSTi are strong usable ! It can be like "vintage effect bundle" or like "vintage effect modular system" , full of classic analog effect emulations ... with best Arturia sound ! WOW
2/ And fantastic can to be emulation of Oberheim Xpander ! WOW
Heck Yea!!! An Expander would be AWSOME!!! I had the pleasure of borrowing one for a few months and it defiantly is a very unique instrument with allot of cool features.
What I would MOST LIKE TO SEE from Arturia is for them to DROP THE DONGLE SYSTEM!!! I was so excited when I saw the new ProphetV since I love the VS sound (I have the rack VS :)) and the NI Pro-53 is kind of week compared to a real Prophet (I used to own one). Upon further reading about the details of the ProphetV my excitement turned to disappointment when I realized Arturia have switched over to a dongle system of copy protection. CD check stinks, but dongle stinks more. NI has the best copy protection with a challenge response type system.
I guess I just don't understand software company's logic with copy protection. Maybe I'm not totally informed about the facts but my opinion is that copy protection such as dongles turn away more than the pirates. They turn away people like me. People who are ready to fork out cash on this outstanding product (until they realize it requires a dongle). Why, do I hate dongles? Well I had one for Reaktor 3 and I have one for Logic Pro. Now imagine I wanted to buy cubase, then I’d have another and then I wanted grm tools or something that requires an iLok. Pretty soon you have 5 FRICKIN DONGLES HANGING OFF THE BACK OF YOUR COMPUTER. On top of having all this HARDWARE hanging off the back of your computer you have to INSTALL ADITIONAL SOFTWARE just to run the protection!!! OK, so it's like this, you want to buy a software version of some vintage instrument, YET YOU DON'T GET A PIECE OF SOFTWARE YOU GET A PIECE OF SOFTWARE, A PIECE OF HARDWARE AND ANOTHER PIECE OF SOFTWARE TO RUN THE SOFTWARE YOU BOUGHT.
I will never buy any software that requires a dongle.
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It is interesting there are requests for Arturia to switch to vintage FX - for 2 reasons I find this unusual:
1) because of thier innate flexibility synths do not generally require much in the way of FX, and most already have one or two of those you would want, such as chorus, delay, verb
2) there are INNUMERABLE software companies producing FX, some already focusing on vintage for keyboards such as the excellent Scarbee Vintage Keyboard FX, and other vintage sounds such as Nomad Blue Tubes bundle.
Also speaking of the Prophet - yes I am excited too and agree Pro-53 is weak. Interface design sucks as well - too small, guess it was built in the days of average 800 x 600 user resuolution! And double yes on dongle. I could NOT get my Brass demo to license properly, in fact I did not see one post from one user talking about a successful demo install - only complaints about non-working demos and discussions of the product after purchase. This is BAD FOR BUSINESS! Any revenues lost due to piracy must be insginificant compared to the losses of people losing interest when they hear it is dongle protection. To be fair, I would like to see statistics, but such do not exist in all likelihood...
Armando.
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snipped by Armando
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APOLOGIES for multiple posts - the site kept showing a "user unknown debug mode" error message.
:roll:
Armando.
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Also speaking of the Prophet - yes I am excited too and agree Pro-53 is weak. Interface design sucks as well - too small, guess it was built in the days of average 800 x 600 user resuolution! And double yes on dongle. I could NOT get my Brass demo to license properly, in fact I did not see one post from one user talking about a successful demo install - only complaints about non-working demos and discussions of the product after purchase. This is BAD FOR BUSINESS! Any revenues lost due to piracy must be insginificant compared to the losses of people losing interest when they hear it is dongle protection. To be fair, I would like to see statistics, but such do not exist in all likelihood...
Armando.
Also, I would assume that the people running pirated copy's of software ARE NOT LIKELY TO BUY THE PRODUCT ANYWAY. So this is where I'm confused in the logic behind such protection. Your not creating more revenues there and I would also assume that the pirates who are not likely to buy the product are the majority. So really doesn't make much sense to me from any stand point.
I sort of agree with your interface comment. Having an original VS I would have liked to see the VS look more like the VS instead of it being transposed onto to wood style P-5 keyboard. The VS wasn't really part of the wood era.
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Also, I would assume that the people running pirated copy's of software ARE NOT LIKELY TO BUY THE PRODUCT ANYWAY. So this is where I'm confused in the logic behind such protection. Your not creating more revenues there and I would also assume that the pirates who are not likely to buy the product are the majority. So really doesn't make much sense to me from any stand point.
I sort of agree with your interface comment. Having an original VS I would have liked to see the VS look more like the VS instead of it being transposed onto to wood style P-5 keyboard. The VS wasn't really part of the wood era.
I don't think there's ANY QUESTION that the majority of pirates would not buy. On the other hand, I know for a fact that when a product is cracked, it enables many people to try it out and determine whether or not they like it - and the ones who like it and are beyond the hobby level DO buy it. Enough on Syncrosoft - it is well known that a cracking group who shall remain unnamed managed to get through the Steinberg Syncrosoft protection and create emulated software dongles.
On the matter of interface design, it is the Native Instruments version I was criticizing. I think Arturia has done a FAR better job judging by screenshots. NI's is much too small for people using any screen resolution beyond 800 x 600. I do not know the VS so cannot comment.
Armando.
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If I have to tell something about the copy protection: I would really disagree with arturia for the dongles, yes they keep the work protected but only for short whiles and they prove annoying situations with installs and all that.
What I complain the most about arturia ( not the single guys which are nice and talentuous people 8) ) is that they make too few beta test , for too short times and with too few testers .That means less datas, less opinions to compare therefore less control on a difficult to build product like a softsynth. Beta shall walk shoulder-shoulder with the R&D itself because it helps defining the details which are the most causing headaches things [EDIT]...for example I'm getting the kind help of a lot of guys owners of CS80s ( including two columns of this forum : G.Poropat and Tommy "ROCS-80" Priakos ) and I'm tracing dozens of detailed things that contribute to the sound of the old Yamaha dinosaur ,and that were thought of a small importance...well believe me that if those guys were involved since the very first version, the opportunities of coming out with an almost perfect product could have been a lot more! If I was the CEO of Arturia I will call up for the beta with announcements on the main softsynths sites like KVR with strongs discounts for the testers, the more testing , the better the result!! I would then find some criterias in order to let the testers be eligible. Once eligible the testers would get full acces to the beta program!
About the Prophet I'm excited about it, if you consider it is a native softsynth I believe that this will be the best P5 emulation.....anyway I would have been even more glad with an unusual synth like a SYNTHEX or an Oberheim SEM ( when those stupid people at Gibson-Viscount will come back on their footseps??!! ), the first because it was and is one of the most powerful polysynths of all the times and NO EMULATION exists of it, the second because it could have been arranged to be "assembled" in a 2-4-8 voices poly Oberheim 8) 8)
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About Arturia, I feel now we have very few feedbacks from technical
support. I don't know now what's their new strategie, maybe now they
consider beta testing needs to be done inside their company only
instead of involving users?!?
We even don't have any estimated date for the release of prophet V.
I agree with you Max about the Synthex and Oberheim synths.
Synthex is really a must, I could know that because I have one,
and about oberheim, when you consider now even Tom
Oberheim wouldn't be allowed to write his name on a synth,
few chance Arturia could.
I don't know why Gibson-Viscount are so sharp on Oberheim
question, at the same time they are unable to make any analog
or virtual synth with enough quality for they could write Oberheim.
It would be better they continue to build guitars and organs and they
open the path to other people.
Maybe we would need to spam them with petitions :twisted:
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About Arturia, I feel now we have very few feedbacks from technical
support. I don't know now what's their new strategie, maybe now they
consider beta testing needs to be done inside their company only
instead of involving users?!?
We even don't have any estimated date for the release of prophet V.
Of course a company tries to keep their own projects as secret as they could in order to face the competitions and copycats all around the world, I'm not saying this is not the right way, I'm only saying that the more people can be involved into the betas , the better will be the result.
Look at this thread on KVR
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=120062&highlight=arturia
There a guy has been able to develop a PM trumpet which could compete with BRASS trumpet model in less than 1 month, he caught the collaboration of many people then he came out with a very good model of the trumpet. I'm not saying that BRASS isn't good, I want to say that as much as the developers can get feedback from technicians and musicians, therefore the product will be even and even better!
I agree with you Max about the Synthex and Oberheim synths.
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Maybe we would need to spam them with petitions :twisted:
Gibson isn't getting a holed coin out of the Oberheim's name, it's only a stupid, stupid, stupid legal battle, sadly Tom Oberheim can't brand his synths with his own name, it's madmen's stuff....I would long for a SEM module, one of the most genius synthesizers ever made....
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I want to say that as much as the developers can get feedback from technicians and musicians, therefore the product will be even and even better!
Definitively Yes.
And the problem is the same with hardware synth builders.
If they would be more in touch with musicians, they could produce
better synths, instead of always romplers.
it's only a stupid, stupid, stupid legal battle, sadly Tom Oberheim can't brand his synths with his own name, it's madmen's stuff
Yes, and it's difficult to accept it's us, need to pay for their stupidity.
And too bad Tom Oberheim didn't continue to produce amazing synths
even with another name as "Marion" for example.
The SEM is a very good one, and very rare.
At the same time I think Arturia could make a SEM-V, if they don't
write "oberheim" on the product, I don't know how Gibson could against.
They could call it the MIEHREBO-V, or Marion-V :twisted:
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I remember when Oberheim was rumoured to be the next Arturia project, but didn't know about the Gibson/Oberheim problem at the time. One possible workaround would be for Tom Oberheim (http://www.museresearch.com/bio_tom_oberheim.php) and Arturia to get together and develop something with the SEM as the foundation - unless of course Gibson has acquired all patents on the componentry and interface design of the SEM. Then we're all basically out of luck I guess until the Gibson execs mature a bit and realize there is an opportunity for them to make money and please some musicians, even at the cost of some "pride"...?
Armando.
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:evil:
why are they allowed to do that?
http://www.sonicprojects.ch/
and why Arturia are not?
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:evil:
why are they allowed to do that?
http://www.sonicprojects.ch/
and why Arturia are not?
Did they exchanged the permission with a ton of Milk Chocolate :?: :?: :?: :?: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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What I would want is for them to fix the bugs in their current products.
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Since the top desireable synths have either been emulated by Arturia or cannot be legally emulated, I would like Arturia to continue on working on the quality and perfection of all their current emulations. The MiniMg still need some work to sound more like the real deal. The ARP 2600 sounds nice but as an emulation TimeWarp's still the best. I'm in the process of comparing the Prophet V with the real deal right now. Arturia is on the top of the game in native emulation world but overall, Creamware emulations are still superior.
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My main bugbear with the ARP2600v is the portamento - to me it sounds as if it uses linear port whereas the original was exponential. Makes a big difference to the sound when you're using it.
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Just give me a Universal Binary of the Mini Mg and I'll probabely never come back to this forum! :p
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UNIVERSAL BINARY!
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What do I want from Arturia:
STORM 4.0 with all the other synths built in and a better sequencer!
I can only dream!
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How about a hardware controller like NI Kore but with a keyboard...also with Novation new SL controllers auto mapping of controls etc!!!
We could then realise the dream of having all these great emulations in a hardware form!
OOhh wait...how about a controller (a la Novation) with a set of plug in boards for each synth!!!!! :D :D
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WHAT WOULD YOU WANT FROM AUTURIA ... ?
I want :
ROLAND SYSTEM 100 (101 & 102)
ROLAND SYSTEM 700
YAMAHA CS-30
Please,
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Besides updates for the MMV, this baby 8) :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6EfM7cdBbk
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What about a Blaster Beam VSTi. It is about time someone should tackle this weird instrument.
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=4672638
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blaster_Beam
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANrzFt3rIkM
or if something could be done to try to get close to that sound using currently available VST software. :?:
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an emulation of one of the following:
OB-8 (I know, there are issues here with Gibson)
EMS Synthi AKS (this would be insanely awesome)
Elka Synthex (such a good poly synth)
Roland SH-101 (would be good if they wanted to add a simple and cheaper synth to the line up... It would have to be "affordable" though. Like Way Out Ware's new "kickaxxe")
Roland System 100 (would be awesome)
Or if Arturia would want to try their hand at emulating something digital, a vintage sampler plugin would be AWESOME. Synclavier would be my first choice (with it's odd synthesis based on FM/additive as well as sampling), followed by an emulator or something of that sort.
Or perhaps rather than emulation, they could make a new synth with the whole "hybrid analog/digital" thing going for it. Make the oscs switchable between FM (synclavier style, or maybe a DX-100 style 4 op engine), Wavetable (ppg style... None of this interpolated smooth NI stuff, I want gritty sweeps!), samples (lo-fi, of course), or basic "retro style" additive (like on the oscar), and add an awesome analog modeled filter. All in all it would be a very good combo of early digital tech and analog filter (and pre/post filter saturation perhaps?)
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I can see that in the forum the opinions are very similar. My preferences are in order, if Arturia is so kind in write them down:
1.- EMS VCS3 or SYNTHI AKS
2.- Roland SYSTEM 100 with the sequencer and mixer modules but with an adition. The old SYSTEM 100 sound core could be expanded adding more modules 102, well it will be perfect that you could add more than one 102 module in the system
3.- Roland SYSTEM 700 (an impossible dream)
4.- Korg PS-3300 or PS-3200, they are very rare synths and have the myth aura above them. They could be great comercial hits
5.- Yamaha CS-30
Please Arturia if you can make something about it. Go ahead!!!
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I would wish a beautiful solina emulation with the famous orbinone effect :P
...and, why not, an update to add it in the analog factory presets :wink:
Teuf
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Well just to keep the forums active;
I would like that the sequencers of the arp 2600 and from the Mg modular
could send midi; and if we could do this for the arpegiator of the Jupiter that would be fun.
By the way I like the sugestions mentioned in this topic bevore.
My fave would be the Roland System 700 and the Elka Syntex.
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The Origin has the coolest synthesis architecture since... God creating women.
Here are my ideas for updates to make the Origin kick the $h*t out of everything else on the market...
-additive synthesis module in the oscillator section, as well as a sample player (with graintable).
-prophet and Oberheim style filters... a formant filter would be cool
-morph function for the joystick
-tape delay model in the fx section
I know that's a lot, but I would pretty much sell my soul for these features.
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Stability achievable by more updates
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Better support and help when it comes to questions ... only getting answers from people that obviously know what they are saying and doing ... but they are talking to themselves ... not a child ... or someone that doesn't understand midi and some other not so easy stuff.
Sorry ... kinda frustrated right now and venting ... my apologies.
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@sureno
2009 should then be bright...
@Moshkito,
Technical Support is handled via the request form (http://www.arturia.com/evolution/kb/?View=entry&EntryID=85).
Community forums are really more mutual-aid oriented, and we keep an eye on them but prefer let real users animate it, and share their experience and presets.
@everyone
Keep posting your best-wanted synths and projects here, we really consider your views as essential for future releases. I cannot guarantee anything for the Blaster Beam, however... :-\
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I would like add on modules for modular Mg to be able to expand cabinet sideways similar to set up by Tangerine Dream and Tomita. I would also like synths to fill the screen
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emulation ems vcs 3 or aks synti a and roland d 50 emulation
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I want a MemoryMg-V. Period.
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WHAT WOULD "I" WANT FROM ARTURIA (at least I spelled Aruturia correctly... vs the Subject Line)...
1. I'm with the Oberheim crowd. I'd also like to ask; " If Gibson and Viscount have such a licensing issue, how did SonicProjects manage to realease the "OP-X" virtual OB-X, 3 years ago (the latest version was just realeased a few months ago)"? I'm sure Gibson has caught on by now. Or, could it be that the software is designed for the Receptor (by Muse Research... I believe that Mr. Tom Oberheim currently has a hand in that company). Anyway, try harder! Arturia seem to be hellbent on representing the greatest synths (or at least the greatest companies, and greatest individuals to ever), Get Obie in there,,,, alright.... PLEASE!
2. Along the previous lines... Korg for better (and sometimes worse) has had a large influence on synthesizers, and..., lived to tell about it. I wouldn't even venture an opinion as to which Korg to emulate, but I've owned an MS-20, a Mono-Poly, and briefly a Poly Six (and and MS2000R for that matter) and ALL of them have worked flawlessly. Personally I'd vote for the PS-3300, but there are probably a lot of other Korg fans with other opinions.
3. How about a virtual voltage regulator and patch bay? OK, what I'm really asking for is a way to cross-patch all the wonderful "V" softwares the way you can on the Origin. Ya know Mg Oscillators meet ARP filters etc. Make it a freebie download to anyone to anyone with more 3 or more Arturia products.
Am I asking for the improbable? Yes. But in 1973 if you told me I could fit an Arp 2600 and a Mg 55 in my pocket (not to mention buy them for $200 bucks a piece) I would have thought it impossible. So, what the heck, why not ask?
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@Mgman:
Many of your proposals, not to say all, already are in our "Ideas Box".
I cannot say much more, or I will be subjected to corporal punishments from my colleagues... Hey Philwick, don't do that please, let this jigsaw away, I didn't mean to say anything, I promise. Aargl...
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THIS controller...
(http://www.synthforum.nl/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=45979&d=1238251674]THIS)
...is what I would buy immediately. Same for the ARP2600, MiniMg etc.
Please do so Arturia!