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V Collection - Legacy versions => Mini V => Mini V Technical Issues => Topic started by: oromanow on March 14, 2009, 08:03:34 pm
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Be aware that...
I just installed (to help Arturia) the MiniMgV v2 beta BUT:
1) this installation removed my fully working previous MiniMg (other companies are so smart that their installer puts the beta in a new folder that has the name "beta" included to ensure that previous versions are not overwritten and one could compare these different versions)
2) This beta also requires some Syncrosoft dongle which you are then forced to buy, and if one does not have this dongle, all softwares are crashing because they can not validate the authorization
The best joke is that Arturia does not mention anywhere in the beta-process all the previous mentioned requirements!!!
People be careful in helping Arturia!
Otto Romanowski
professor in music technology at Sibelius Academy
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Mine still works,
I installed v2.0beta into it's own folder.
I did have to replace the v1.6 shortcut.
Now if I can get an authorization I'll be good to go!
George Ware
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Right,
except that you don't need any dongle, since the installer will install a software eLicenser; you are allowed to use a USB dongle if you wish, but you don't necessarily need one.
Anyway I agree that Arturia should have been more careful with the whole beta testing thing, particularly with regard to keeping safe the older version.
BTW, the new MiniMg is just *terrific*: the new features bring the synth to a utterly different rank of liveliness and expressivity: kudos to Arturia on this one.
T.
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I agree with the following from the first post by Otto Romanowski:
"I just installed (to help Arturia) the MiniMgV v2 beta BUT:
1) this installation removed my fully working previous MiniMg ....
2) .... all softwares are crashing because they can not validate the authorization..."
Not good. Not good at all.
Bruce Alexander
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Luckily, I noticed the installer wanted to install the beta over the original install, so I changed folders.
However, I'm getting a "... no valid license for this application" message. Below the download link I saw the "Request Activation Code ( Beta Test validity )" link. I clicked on that and submitted it.
Am I now waiting on an email from Arturia? I've been waiting all day. ???
Jeff
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Am I now waiting on an email from Arturia? I've been waiting all day. ???
Yes, if you pressed the "request activation code" button, you will receive it by mail.
Mine arrived in the afternoon; I requested it late in the morning: not swift but not that bad, anyway.
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Thanks, Tical.
I'm really not impatient, it's just that there's no clear explanation as to what to expect, or even (per previous posts) that one should be careful not to overwrite your previous install.
Hmm, just noticed that this thread is in the wrong forum.
Jeff
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Thanks, Tical.
I'm really not impatient, it's just that there's no clear explanation as to what to expect, or even (per previous posts) that one should be careful not to overwrite your previous install.
Hi Jeff,
I'm entirely with you on this one: I bombed Arturia support team myself with 2 code requests and three (long) mails focused exactly on what we're discussing here.
Also, the Mac installer won't allow you at all to choose a different folder than the original one, and reverting back to V1.6 has been less than obvious 'cause of the infamous "there's nothing to install" issue... almost a nightmare; now I'm happy though.
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OK. Now it works! (but still without the previous version!)
I had on my other machine the Synchrosoft USB-dongle and that was the reason I was surprized (on thi laptop I do not use eny dongles because I use this for teaching and have to leave it in a classroom end there is a risk...you know).
But still Arturia-betainstaller should install by default to a completely new folder...
BW, Otto
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Am I now waiting on an email from Arturia? I've been waiting all day. ???
Yes, if you pressed the "request activation code" button, you will receive it by mail.
Mine arrived in the afternoon; I requested it late in the morning: not swift but not that bad, anyway.
I'm still waiting. I've requested it yesterday and, by accident (because I didn't know what the problem was) just another time. Still no mail. Other softwaremanufacturers often send the license direct after request, even if its weekend...
How can I betatest it now??
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As I understand now, my request is still a request.. It's more a beta test then before (Prophet V etc.). Sorry :-[
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Same here... waiting for Syncrosoft activation for the third day now.... :-[
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Requested on saturday.
Code arrived today (monday). :)
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Requested on saturday.
Code arrived today (monday). :)
You are a lucky bast... ;D
My request was also on saturday... and it's monday over here too... but still no activation for my miniMg V2. :-\
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Okay, I got mine registered and working. Great !
One abnormality I see is : there's something going wrong with choosing presets.
After playing around a bit I can't choose presets anymore. I can save my own sounds but the preset selector doesn't respond anymore and I get a slower reaction playing a midi keyboard.
Laptop running Vista and tascam 1641, (working great botherwise)
greetings,
Anthony
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Requested on saturday.
Code arrived today (monday). :)
Code arrived today. I just downloaded the software license to my USB eLicenser.
Itīs in demo mode and I can use it 20 times. The real unlock code will follow..
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Itīs in demo mode and I can use it 20 times. The real unlock code will follow..
You can use it more than 20 times reactivating the counter through the appropriate option in the wizard of the LCC.
It has an expiration date, though (29/03, don't know whether it's absolute or relative).
The real unlock code will arrive with the real synth, I believe. 1st of april at MusikMesse, maybe?
Cheers.
T.
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Some useful tips about the MiniMg V 2 beta:
==> http://www.arturia.com/evolution/en/community/beta-test-helpers
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I have installed this beta version on my laptop, and...:
Application 'miniMg V 2' has caused the following error:
No eLicenser connected.
Options:
- For troubleshooting information click <Help>.
- Connect a valid eLicenser and click <Retry>.
- Click <Cancel> to abort.
And in my music computer, in my house, i have no internet, i have installed too, and..."super error" all my presets go to another life, ay ay ay... i donīt install never more a beta from arturia, i am a client, no a pirate, sorry for my poor english, my presets never come back, but now i will play this beta version, but itīs not posible, help please.
Thank you. ;D
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I have installed this beta version on my laptop, and...:
Application 'miniMg V 2' has caused the following error:
No eLicenser connected.
Options:
- For troubleshooting information click <Help>.
- Connect a valid eLicenser and click <Retry>.
- Click <Cancel> to abort.
And in my music computer, in my house, i have no internet, i have installed too, and..."super error" all my presets go to another life, ay ay ay... i donīt install never more a beta from arturia, i am a client, no a pirate, sorry for my poor english, my presets never come back, but now i will play this beta version, but itīs not posible, help please.
Thank you. ;D
But you know what "BETA" means?
Do you have any backups from your Presets?
BTW ... Antoine has an useful link:
http://www.arturia.com/evolution/en/community/beta-test-helpers (http://www.arturia.com/evolution/en/community/beta-test-helpers)
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Yes, i have a backup of my presets but not very actual, i have lost some good and new presets, but this is not the real problem, with another companys, when i download the beta versions i have not problems, but with arturia... the beta overwrite all,and the original version disapear, and this is not good, i need only taste the beta, but the beta kill my miniMg v version 1.
And the autorization not work on my system.
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Hi Michel,
Don't be scared, theoretically your presets have not disappeared, they simply are temporarily unavailable until you authorize the synthesizer.
At worst case, shortly connect your computer at your favorite neighbor/friend/office network. Or even use a USB-eLicenser dongle to download the license from one connected computer, and authorize the synthesizer on your studio one.
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There is only one problem, in my "computer audio machine" i donīt have internet.
Thank you. ;D
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Finally received the activation for miniMg V2, but.... Very big problem!
Most of my older Cubase 4 projects are unusable with the MiniMg V2 update!!
I have MiniMg V1 installed on 2 PCs (1 Quad-core, 1 Dual-core) in my studio, so I can distribute processing power for multiple instances by using FX Teleport.
This works great with Mg Modular, MiniMg, CS80 and ARP2600... the old versions that is.
But the new MiniMg V2 update is protected by Syncrosoft instead of a serial number.
This means that I can only run MiniMg V2 on one PC at a time.
Installing both VSTs for V1 and V2 (I have seperate installs) doesn't seem to work, as in that case Cubase 4 will only initialize V1.
When I remove the V1 VST plug-in from my main DAW PC, it will initialize V2... and V1 on the FX-Teleport PC will still be avaible, but is not interchangeable with the plug-in on the DAW PC anymore... :(
Does this mean that I'll have to pay again for another license, just to be able to distribute processing power in the same studio?! :(
And is this going to happen to all future updates for the older synths too?!
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Does this mean that I'll have to pay again for another license, just to be able to distribute processing power in the same studio?! :(
You can't run two copies of Cubase at once on two different machines, can you?
That's the way the Syncrosoft license works, but not only: even with C/R anti piracy systems, you cannot run two copies of the same software on two different machines AT THE SAME TIME, that would violate the EULA. You can install the software on two (in some cases three) different machines but you can use them only one at a time. In this respect, the Syncrosoft system is much better, since you can install the same software on as many machines as you want.
If I were in you shoes, I would use the DAW on a machine and the plugs on the other by using hosts such as VST Stack. Otherwise, you must purchase a second license.
BTW, are you sure that you actually need to distribute the machine power with a quad core?
Best.
T.
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Does this mean that I'll have to pay again for another license, just to be able to distribute processing power in the same studio?! :(
You can't run two copies of Cubase at once on two different machines, can you?
That's the way the Syncrosoft license works, but not only: even with C/R anti piracy systems, you cannot run two copies of the same software on two different machines AT THE SAME TIME, that would violate the EULA. You can install the software on two (in some cases three) different machines but you can use them only one at a time.
I don't need to run Cubase on two machines, because FX-Teleport acts as VST-host on the client machine.
And yes, I know how Syncrosoft works... I have 3 dongles on my main machine and one on the slave. Just like I have iLoks on both machines for other licenses.
I do not violate any EULA by using several instances of one VSTi on two machines at the same time, as long as the two machines are in a closed network that is controlled by just one person (me) at a time.
I use seperate 2 networks on every PC. 1gbps dedicated to music, 100mbps for internet connecting and file sharing.
In this configuration the system acts like one big machine, called a processing farm.
There's no difference compared to one machine with multi-CPUs and 64GB RAM, running a DAW-host with several instances of the same VST(i)
C/R or Serial Number protected software I have (like BFD2 incl. all Expansions and East West Kompakt based VSTi), even mention in their EULA that it's fully legal to use the product in this way. But they don't need to mention it because a closed network farm is considered as one machine, as long as the seperate PCs are "processors" sharing one single task.
In this respect, the Syncrosoft system is much better, since you can install the same software on as many machines as you want.
Not when you consider a farm like a machine.
But hey... I do not have a problem with Syncrosoft protection at all.
I do have a problem because old projects that where created in a processing farm with serial protection, will not work anymore after updating to Syncrosoft... unless I pay extra for another license, just to run an instance on another CPU.
If I were in you shoes, I would use the DAW on a machine and the plugs on the other by using hosts such as VST Stack. Otherwise, you must purchase a second license.
BTW, are you sure that you actually need to distribute the machine power with a quad core?
Well... your reply proves that my shoes wont fit you. ;D
VST-Stack is not comparable to FX-Teleport at all.... And I would still need an extra Syncrosoft license for Arturia instances that are processed by the slave PC.
I would be glad to pay a small amount for extra licenses, to run updated Arturia-oldies.... I'd never pay 2 (or more) times the full price. If that is possible, I would even buy extra licenses for Brass and Jupiter, which are running on my main DAW only so they won't give troubles with updates.... and I might even buy the Prophet plus an extra license.
BTW, Why would you think I would distribute processing if it wasn't necessary? :D
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And yes, I know how Syncrosoft works...
I do not mean to be polemic, but since you know how Syncrosoft works, your whole question is redundant. Of course you don't need to run Cubase on two machines: I mentioned that just because Cubase shares the same protection scheme as the new MiniMg, just so, Syncrosoft, which is Steinberg property.
A "farm" isn't considered a single machine in any software licence I own (which includes Arturia, Native Instruments, LinPlug, Korg, Steinberg, Apple, IK-Multimedia, Camel Audio, VirSyn, Waldorf, Yellow Tools and a little more tolerant brands such as U-He). My license of Adobe Creative Suite will block any second "instance" of the same application detected in the "closed network": only one at a time is allowed. The same goes with Quark. And so on...
BTW, Why would you think I would distribute processing if it wasn't necessary? :D
Maybe because I've seen lots of poorly assembled PC and even more poorly assembled "closed networks"; not your case, I'm sure, but since I'm on a Mac (several actually, none of which as a farm) definitely my shoes are different than yours. :D
Best.
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Maybe because I've seen lots of poorly assembled PC and even more poorly assembled "closed networks"; not your case, I'm sure, but since I'm on a Mac (several actually, none of which as a farm) definitely my shoes are different than yours. :D
Best.
Just FYI
25 years ago I studied electronics and computer technology. I designed and build CPU control boards with 8080, 8086 and Z80 before I combined my hardware adventures with programming user software.
Also about 25 years ago, I started doing sound enginering in recording and live situations.... and soon went composing and sound design for the "new" digital synth generation.
I combined both streams when MIDI came in in 1988, and know about any instability problem that can occur in about any system that was in use in the last 20 years.
... but there's no way I can relate this to the problem of running updated distributed VSTi with a new protection system for a reasonable price.
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Hi guys
So to clarify, you can't run this on more than one machine now?
I guess i can keep 1.6 on my mobile/laptop rig, and 2.0 on the Mac Pro at the studio, but i'd rather not have to do that...
I installed the 2.0 beta on the Mac Pro and obviously can't download the new license more than once, so can't install it on the laptop. Unfrotunately i ran the installer on my MBP so will have to follow the instructions to roll back to 1.6 as it overwrote the old version when 2.0 beta was installed.
Cheers
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So to clarify, you can't run this on more than one machine now?
To clarify, you never could, Syncrosoft or not.
Not at the same time, at least. From Arturia's license agreement:
"Licensee may physically transfer the SOFTWARE from one computer to another, provided that the SOFTWARE is used on only one computer at any one time. Licensee may not electronically transfer the SOFTWARE to multiple computers over a network system."
And I could do drag&drop of an identical or similar line from the EULA of any brand I use (and use not). This is the common rule, plain and simple, and I kown very few exceptions.
The protection system can force you to respect it (dongle) or not, in the latter case it's up to you to respect the agreement, but that is.
@ OpenMind: our talk took the wrong direction; I didn't mean to be picky (I'm not mother-language so I apologize for any unwanted rudeness) and you didn't need to send a curriculum, nor will I, but you would be surprised; BTW, Zelig Z80 in the early '80s me too. :)
Anyway, the line in bold here above says it all and it's no news (nor Arturia's exclusivity).
Cheers.
T.
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Well, i never did that. I don't want to run them at the same time, just have them installed so that i can use them on either machine. Without having to buy a Syncrosoft dongle and carry it around with me.
I have 1.6 without the dongle and simply installed the software on both my MBP and Mac Pro, and put in the passcode. Then i could use them on either machine, and transfer projects from one to another. I've never tried having the MBP and Mac Pro in the same room and running the plugin on both machines, that's not really what i want.
So can is there any way i can still install and use Minimoo version 2.0 on both machines (not at the same time)?
Thanks
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"Licensee may physically transfer the SOFTWARE from one computer to another, provided that the SOFTWARE is used on only one computer at any one time. Licensee may not electronically transfer the SOFTWARE to multiple computers over a network system."
This would apply to a system with central server(s) and various personal workstations. In case of cluster/farm computing you transfer DATA not SOFTWARE.
If this would be exluded, then installing on a multi-core/multi-CPU system would not be allowed either. The classic definition of a computer = one CPU + Memory + I/O circuitry. So in case of multi-cores we're talking about cluster-computing...
Well... in fact the VGA- and disk-controllers are seperate computers too... Which would mean that I can build several motherboards in one case with internal networking connections, and still call it one computer... just like in "super-computers".
The whole system is running one specific task AND the whole system is operated by one person at a time.
But again... I'm willing to pay (no full price) for extra licenses 8)
@ OpenMind: our talk took the wrong direction; I didn't mean to be picky (I'm not mother-language so I apologize for any unwanted rudeness)
:-*
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So can is there any way i can still install and use Minimoo version 2.0 on both machines (not at the same time)?
Yes, you can do so, but if I got it right you will need anyway a physical dongle to pass the license from a computer to another, since Arturia allows for the bidirectional transfer (Soft-eLicenser to dongle, and the other way round); Steinberg, for instance, doesn't allow for that (Soft-eLicenser to dongle yes, but not vice versa).
Can't tell if you can use the Syncrosoft server to directly swap the license online, from a Soft-eLicenser directly to another Soft-eLicenser on a different machine, without using a dongle as a bridge.
Find more here: http://syncrosoft.com/Mac_-_Soft-eLicenser-78-91.html
Best.
T.
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Sorry iīm not good with the activation of my miniMg v beta, i have no internet on my "computer-audio" and can not activate the beta... Help, please, and thank you.
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One little question... can i have installed on the same computer version 1 and version 2 of the miniMg.?
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@Michel
Technically yes, you can install both in different folders, but you won't be able to use them in hosted mode (VST, AU) as they share the same program ID.
So the correct answer is: functionally speaking, no.
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Doesn't that mean you could use both in stand-alone mode - which would mean functionally yes in some cases? (Some of us play these instruments with fingers, not sequencers.)
It might be worth adding a second program ID, though, in case some people have preferences between the versions for specific patches?
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Mission impossible, i canīt autorize my beta version i put the autorization code and nothing, the transfer mode not work, may be iīm a little dummy, but i have no internet connection on my audio pc, but i have see i can autorize without internet, but no work ......argghhhh..... please help.....and sorry for my poor english.
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If i buy a Syncrosoft USB ... can i play the miniMg version 2? may be, for my this is the solution.
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But again... I'm willing to pay (no full price) for extra licenses 8)
Well... just to put things straight... Arturia already had a possibilaty for cheaper extra licenses... The V-Collection! Why didn't I think of that before? ... Or why didn't any of you put my attention to that? ;D
I ordered the V-Collection last thursday and received it today... great!
But... now I stumbled over the "License number is NOT listed in our database" error, like many miniMgV registars did in the past few weeks.
Already wrote a PM to Antoine about that, and I'm sure he'll fix it when he's back at work.
Nevertheless.... I can now use miniMg V2 just like V1 on my 2-in-1-computer again... :D